Banned elements in figure skating

[Meoima]

Hi everyone, I'd like to make a thread in which people share their favorite video of banned elements in FS.
I've always known that backflip is banned in singles. But I don't know about other banned moves.

Some of good backflips in the past: http://youtu.be/orbdB3REL6w

If I remember correctly some moves in pairs are banned in competition because it's too dangerous? What about ice dance? Please share the videos, thanks. :agree:

 

[Interspectator]

The Iron Lotus?

 

[Meoima]

The Iron Lotus?

:dev2: I'd like some male make pair try this in real life and I can be happy forever: http://youtu.be/_7dr6PCeW4c

 

[mrrice]

:dev2: I'd like some male make pair try this in real like and I can be happy forever: http://youtu.be/_7dr6PCeW4c

What about the "Pemchenko" From "The Cutting Edge" "We're Doing The Pemchenko." "You heard me. We're Putting It In" :sad21:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSl1MkH6KLU

 

[Ares]

I remember Domnina / Shabalin using prop to make one lift in competition and general outcry after that. I do wonder whether there is any article that concerns that now in rules.

 

[4everchan]

Winning Olympic gold for Canadian male figure skating is banned. Videos. Plenty available on YouTube.

 

[gkelly]

ISU Rulebook

For singles and pairs (end of rule 610, p. 97):

Illegal/Elements Movements
are:



somersault type jumps;



lifts with wrong holds;



lifts with more than 3 ½ revolutions of the Man;



spinning movements in which the Man swings the Lady around in the air

while holding her hand or foot;




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twist-like or rotational movements during which the Lady is turned over with

her skating foot leaving the ice;



rotational movements with the grip of one of the partners on the leg, arm and

neck of the other partner;


jumps of one of the partners towards the other partner;



lying and prolonged and/or stationary kneeling on both knees on the ice at

any moment.

For dance (Rule 704, paragraph 16, p. 122):

Illegal Lift Movement/Pose

–

The following movements and/or poses during

the lift are illegal:

a) lying or sitting on the partner’s head;

b)sitting or standing on the partner’s shoulder or back;

c)lifted partner in upside down split pose (with sustained angle

between thighs more than 45 degrees);

d) lifting partner swinging the lifted partner around;

i)by holding the skate(s)/boot(s) or leg(s) only with fully

extended arm(s) or without the assistance of hand(s)/arm(s)

orii) by holding the hand(s) with full arm extension by both

partners.
e)point of contact of the lifting hand/arm of the lifting partner with

any part of the body of the lifted partner is not sustained higher than

the lifting partner’s head;

f)hand/arm which is used for support or balancing only or which

touches any part of the body of the lifted partner is not sustained by

the lifting partner higher than his head for more than 2 seconds.

A brief movement through poses a) to e)

will be permitted if it is not

established (sustained) or if it is used only to change pose

Also (rules 709 and 710):

Illegal Lift Movement/Pose

–see Rule 704, paragraph 16;



Jumps (or throw jumps) of more than one (1) revolution or jumps

of one (1) revolution skated at the same time by both partners;



Lying on the ice

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

Lying on the ice is banned in ID!!!! Hhhwhat??

 

[mrrice]

Winning Olympic gold for Canadian male figure skating is banned. Videos. Plenty available on YouTube.

That was mean..........And Hilarious!! Come on Patrick!!!

 

[Babbette1]

Detroiters

 

[gkelly]

Detroiters

That should come under "lifts with more than 3 ½ revolutions of the Man" -- although I guess if you did a really short one it wouldn't break that rule, it would just be a lift with really bad ice coverage.

However, they would usually also fit under "lifts with wrong holds" -- e.g., if he has his hand between her thighs, which is common on Detroiters.

 

[StitchMonkey]

Given that the Iron Lotus and Pemchenko have been mentioned, I think we should take a look at Headbangers... the real banned move that Hollywood decided was not good enough and had to twist into madness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nITIRkEHgMA

 

[4everchan]

That was mean..........And Hilarious!! Come on Patrick!!!

Not mean. Just sad. I was thinking about Kurt and Elvis more.

 

[Bonesfan]

:sad4:

Winning Olympic gold for Canadian male figure skating is banned. Videos. Plenty available on YouTube.

 

[gkelly]

Given that the Iron Lotus and Pemchenko have been mentioned, I think we should take a look at Headbangers... the real banned move that Hollywood decided was not good enough and had to twist into madness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nITIRkEHgMA

Thanks for the link, StitchMonkey.

I'm not sure how the rules were worded when those movies were made, but Pamchenko and Iron Lotus would fit under the current definitions of illegal pair moves.

My guess as to why these new moves were invented is

1) If the rules mentioned existing adagio moves by name or if the producers thought they did, then obviously the movie pairs couldn't include those moves and hope to benefit in the scoring. By using new invented moves, there could be some ambiguity over whether the move was explicitly illegal or not and some hope of being rewarded for it.

2) They wanted the movie heros to be demonstrating originality, not illegality per se.

3) They wanted moves with a heightened sense of danger/risk -- Look how far this team is willing to go in pursuit of athletic excellence.

 

[mrrice]

Not mean. Just sad. I was thinking about Kurt and Elvis more.

Oh Elvis....Another skater who had a bad night when I attended Worlds in 2001. However, you should definitely add him to the nice Butt list.

Here's his SP from Worlds 2001. Rough Night...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gScTqAb4NTg

 

[Pamigena]

Lying on the ice is banned in ID!!!! Hhhwhat??

I think I once read that this is because at one point too many teams indulged in excessive "death scenes" and spent more time lying on the ice than they did skating but I don't know if that's true or even if I remember that correctly

 

[gkelly]

Not mean. Just sad. I was thinking about Kurt and Elvis more.

And Brian O?

 

[sadya]

A sit spin by Candeloro was banned because it was on his knees. It's around 4:55 minutes, the last spin of his program.

Philippe Candeloro 1994 lp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orynB-3b1lI

Didn't he break that rule once and still do the forbidden spin? Wether one liked his style or not, he did try something different and wasn't boring. I enjoyed his 1998 programs. Here is a little more info about that banned spin:

His signature move, in which he spins and drops to his knees on the ice, is banned in amateur competition. Candeloro developed the spin accidentally when he slipped to his knees during a scratch spin.

[source: http://self.gutenberg.org/articles/philippe_candeloro]

Many figure skating moves are created by accident.

 

[casualfan]

I think I once read that this is because at one point too many teams indulged in excessive "death scenes" and spent more time lying on the ice than they did skating but I don't know if that's true or even if I remember that correctly

That's how I remember it. I thought they said dying on the ice is banned, not lying on the ice. Same thing I guess.