You mean Kovtun instead of Menshov for 2013 Worlds? YES.
What makes my blood boil is the OTT fans in this sport trying to trivialize other people's opinions. For example, whenever people post "negative" things about Yuna Kim (I don't like her free foot position, her spins aren't special, or whatever) that person is immediately labeled a "Yuna hater", even if that may not be the case.
It's so amazing! That the whole reason for sending Kovtun changed to! All for Kovtun's benefit! He wasn't there to do well or anything just to compete there! Results were irrelevant and unimportant! It's amazing how at every step everything is always for Kovtun's good PR. He needed to replace Menshov for Euros because he's so good and so amazing and even when he doesn't even medal at Euros because of 2A in SP and 4 full combos because he thought 4 were allowed or something it described as amazing! Then he goes to worlds and bombs doing a 3T+1T combo in the SP its a great success because he got his name out there! He was in front of international judges! It's all just a big success! All because he did well at the JRGPF! Menshov gets to 4th places at the GP series and can't even go to Euros! This is never going to be explained in a satisfactory way to me! It's like hes the son of someone HUGE and so important that the whole Russian federation must be stupid!
D'you reckon it's ever possible to have a thread the Yuna fans vs Maobots don't take over?
The decision that boils my blood is that a second gold medal was handed out. Nope. B/S are the SLC champions and fair and square.
Since this was under the old scoring system and the jumps were everything I just thought Goebel was cleaner (I think Yagudin fell) and deserved it on the tech score.
ITA re the 2002 Pairs result. Here's one for the Yuna fans: Yu Na's LP placing first over Mao's at the 2010 WC.
I know B&K fell during the ending pose but that wasn't on an element.
I haven't read through the whole thread, but just in case this wasn't commented on---the problem is that there's a rule that says you cannot finish the program laying on the ice. Their fall forced this to happen, as they went down just as the music ended. It made for a mandatory deduction. Heartbreaking, IMO, yes, but that was why.
Both Farris and Kovtun have two Senior GP assignments this season. I will be interested to see who does better. And I'd be willing to bet it won't be Menshov.
There are a lot of performances that deserve to have a large gap between the marks, IMO. We should see more judging outcomes like that. Too many times in the past, technically strong performances receive high marks for Artistry/PCS that are undeserved. And quite a few performances that were some of the best ever in terms of Artistry/PCS have been held down because of lower technical content.
I'm not sure about the years but here goes. Yagudin's Gold over Gable's Silver at 2002 (?) World's. I doubt anyone will agree with me. As for presentation I do remember Yagudin seemed flat unlike his usual dynamic thoroughly committed self.
I don't agree if it was 2002 Worlds. 2002 Worlds was right after the Olympics which Alexei won and his World programs were electric.
Alexei's 2002 World's SP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyjX2N18EF8
Alexei's 2002 World's LP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uutt5Hszqhc
My memory can be sketchy... but wasn't the fall on a lift at the very end of the program? I think I recall they fell on the exit of the lift, and the program ended almost immediately thereafter... so they fell on the element AND ended the program on the ice... a double-whammy.
Maybe I'm just not remembering correctly...
The problem with sanctimonious posters like you is that they inevitably show their bias because they will criticize the responders and never the instigators particularly when the instigators happen to be *gasp* fans of the same skaters favoured by said finger-waggers.I'd hardly have any problem if it was just that. If you want to defend Yuna, do it by defending Yuna and her qualities, not by bickering about another skater. It's fine to say you disagree, explain why, or tell someone say repeated that opinion enough. But getting 'revenge' by turning it around and doing the same the first poster did... that's not going to help, that's childish. All it does is starting fan wars. (Reminds me of when a poster said Yunas jumps looked a little Kanako-like now, and a Yuna fan needed to replay "Yes, thay both have huge, fully-rotated flips, in contrast to a certain other skater" - a side blow towards Mao, who wasn't even mentioned before.) If that's the reaction everytime someone just says something slightly not-positive about Yuna, what else is this than 'forbidding others from not thinking Yuna is plain perfect and the best ever'?
Yeah, no kidding. But of course it's the person who answers who is criticized, and the instigator is left completely alone.Saying such BS is calling for a fight.
*cough* Miki Ando *cough*There are a lot of performances that deserve to have a large gap between the marks, IMO. We should see more judging outcomes like that. Too many times in the past, technically strong performances receive high marks for Artistry/PCS that are undeserved. And quite a few performances that were some of the best ever in terms of Artistry/PCS have been held down because of lower technical content.
As much as I love me some Carolina Kostner and can accept her being comparable to Katia Gordeeva, there is NO WAY she comes anywhere near PChan. He is an absolute wizard with his blades.I totally disagree Moment-she is the skating skills equivalent of Patch, and Gordeeva.
You mean Kovtun? You had another post where Menshov's name suddenly popped up, when I think you meant Kovtun. I'm not asking to be mean, or nitpicky - only it can get a bit confusing at times!
As you mention, the overscoring in the ladies regarding a certain great skater definitely makes my blood boil. It's so frustrating to see the judges continually overscore her even when she stumbles and/or falls multiple times (which has been a frequent occurrence throughout her career). At this last year's Worlds she fell hard on her combo in the SP and still scored the second highest SP score. She also posted a personal best in the LP despite falling flat on her last jump and singling the loop. She even won a World title the previous year with some of the easiest jump layout since the 1980's. Like that male skater who falls a lot and still gets excessive scores, she too has perhaps the finest skating skills ever, which apparently is so valuable that the judges overlook her flaws and falls, however numerous they may be.
Tara and Michelle completed the same number of triples in 1998--7. It's not the reason that Tara won. The combinations that they attempted were totally different, and the way that they executed their programs was also different from how they executed them at Nationals.
*facepalm*
Of course, of course. Menshov only got one assignment, lucky folks at Skate America. Kovtun and Farris both got two and it will be my guess that Farris will do better. We will even see them head-to-head I think - Farris got CoR, didn't Kovtun, too?