Know that when other men have been scoring 90+ even 100+ TES this season, his chance of Olympic glory seems more than remote at this point.
Well, at this point even his participation seems remote. :scratch:
Know that when other men have been scoring 90+ even 100+ TES this season, his chance of Olympic glory seems more than remote at this point.
wallylutz said:All these little things add up such that despite a relatively solid skate, the best he can manage is about 83 in TES. Know that when other men have been scoring 90+ even 100+ TES this season, his chance of Olympic glory seems more than remote at this point.
Yes, those 90+ and 100+ just keep happening as if it was nothing! :sarcasm: (sidenote: the highest TES at worlds 2013 was Hanyu's 89.05 - not one sinlge 90+)
This is the Olympics - and the medals will probably belong to those who keep their butt's of the ice and not those who just go for the most difficulty on paper. It doesn't matter if Plush would "just" get something around 85 in TES - his PCS would very likely be higher than your 70 points, and something beteween 160 - 170 could very well keep him in the running if these "many" skaters with 90+ TES potential falter.
I don't know. These numbers aren't so dire (post 20). Plushenko will get 85 in PCS just for being Plushenko, so with 85 in TES, that puts him in the 170 range.
The other guys have to deliver their stuff, too. So far the winners of the Grand Prix events have gone 174 (Machida, SA), 173 (Chan, SC), 156 (Kovtun, China), 172 (Takahashi, NHK), and 172 (Machida, Rostelecom) -- setting aside Chan's untouchable 195 at TEB. Win or lose, it would be cool to see the old warrior standing in the gap one last time.
Giving him 70 because he has no transitions sounds like Pcs mark is only based on transitions, and how do you give interpretation 7, like who else can interpret better The best if Plushenko? :d
um...because half of time, he is doing nothing but stroking and no upper body movement except the occasion hip thrust and airplane arms. This is not show skating. As a competitive skating program, there is no substance in it to mark it any higher.
wallylutz said:It was also an extremely poorly skated FS. Like any extremes, the probability of them repeating is low. Side note: Despite having the highest TES in the FS, Hanyu missed the podium due to his PCS being 9 points lower than his TES, therefore, don't assume he will automatically get high PCS if he continues to skate as slowly as Hanyu does in FS. Chances are both will get ding in PCS.
wallylutz said:Plushenko too can make mistakes. He hasn't skated clean since Euro 2012, couldn't even make top 3 at Japan Open not to mention he went ice splashing at Euro 2013. Even at Volvo Cup, he still missed a jump, and his step sequences continue to be messy. The fact is even when a skater like Hanyu, who is by no means dominant in anyway, managed to score 87+ in TES after missing a jumping pass entirely and went ice kissing on another jump - it tells you Plushenko simply does not have enough technical content to be up there even when a rival makes two major errors in the FS. As it stands, Hanyu, Takahashi and Fernandez have about 2 falls advantage over Plushenko.
plushyfan said:Oh, thank you, I just understand how weak skater he is.
FCSp4 [1] – Solid execution, interesting change of position including a hand grabbing his blade, though slow : BV = 3.2 TV = 3.7
CSSp3[2] – Well executed, well centered, good speed, though leg extension during sit position can be tighter : BV = 2.7 TV = 3.7
3Lz(e) (*) [0] – Unclear edge entry into an otherwise solid jump : BV = TV = 6.6
Now, in terms of the technical content, I continue to be baffled by Team Mishin's disregard for CoP. The first thing that caught my attention is that Plushenko continues to do only 2 jump combos instead of the 3 he is allowed knowing that this actually cost him the gold medal in Vancouver.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZeQlQ_p4ZE
Now, in terms of the technical content, I continue to be baffled by Team Mishin's disregard for CoP. The first thing that caught my attention is that Plushenko continues to do only 2 jump combos instead of the 3 he is allowed knowing that this actually cost him the gold medal in Vancouver. Of course, some will say : "Don't worry, he will surely add one in Sochi." If so, he needs to compete with a 3rd combo now, not at Sochi in order to start getting used to it. Triple Flip continues to be absent in his repertoire, which forced him to do a Double Axel instead, that would again set him back by about another 3 points or so, factoring both lost BV and GOE. Plushenko doesn't do a 2nd Quad when virtually every other top male skater is doing at least 2 will also put him at a great disadvantage. If he does decide to add a 2nd Quad Toe, then he won't be able to repeat either the Lutz or Axel, which in turn makes the lack of a Triple Flip even more glaring with respect to his jumping passes utilization. All these little things add up such that despite a relatively solid skate, the best he can manage is about 83 in TES. Know that when other men have been scoring 90+ even 100+ TES this season, his chance of Olympic glory seems more than remote at this point.
Do a little research. Plushenko plans a 3Sal+2Axel sequence. He obviously didn't do it here because he was too tired.
Oh, thank you, I just understand how weak skater he is.
Yes, and Olympics are of course always perfectly skated events. Even 'well skated' would be enough to count for irony here. That's how Lysacek became OGM.
The point is, despite what you said before, he does have a chance if he skates clean, because there's a high chance enough other men will make mistakes.
Besides, if you argue under the presumption Plush would only be worth sending if he was a definite medal threat, you're wrong. Plush deserves to go as long as he's still the best russian men. You think Kovtun will beat Chan, Takahashi, Hanyu or Fernandez when they skate well?
Oh, thank you, I just understand how weak skater he is.
Not a weak skater, a weak program. But let's give him time to develop his programs. I hope he gets his programs at least to the difficulty and quality of Euros 2012. It would be a shame to see him put out another jump fest when it seemed he was on the right track to making his programs actually intricate and with strong choreography.