The skater radiates energy resulting in an invisible connection with the audience.
Mathman said:Here are the official criteria for “Performance/Execution”:
*Physical, emotional and intellectual involvement.
In all skating disciplines each skater must be physically committed, sincere in emotion, and equal in comprehension of the music and in execution of all movement
*Carriage.
Carriage is a trained inner strength of the body that makes possible ease of movement from the center of the body. Alignment is the fluid change from one movement to the next.
*Style and individuality/personality
Style is the distinctive use of line and movement as inspired by the music.
Individuality/personality is a combination of personal and artistic preferences that a skater/pair/couple brings to the concept, manner, and content of the program.
*Variety and contrast.
Varied use of tempo, rhythm, force, size, level, movement shapes, angles, and body parts as well as the use of contrast.
*Projection.
The skater radiates energy resulting in an invisible connection with the audience.
May the Force be with them!
But I have to give Nicole Bobek the nod for "varied use of body parts."
MM
I agree.Vash01 said:I have no problem with these rules. FS is a subjective sport- it's sport and art together. There are other disciplines (sports and non-sports) that have some subjectivity, and I am OK with it. Everything does not have to be robotic, or with just one possible answer.
Mathman said:OK, but seriously...I have no objection to these criteria. I think skaters should get credit for "sincere emotion," "individual style," and "radiant energy."
True, we will never agree on who has these things and who doesn't. Hence judges.MM
Joesitz said:I can just hear a judge saying that Kimmie has no friends outside skating; her misunderstanding of the Pythagorian Theorem, and her inability to fathom the emotional void in having a private tutor were the main reasons for so many deductions in her scores. At 16 a girl should be aware of the meaning of life and show it in her program or get another choreographer to show her how to fake it.
Vash01 said:I do believe some of the hostility is coming from the fact that Russians have won more times than others.
Vash
Piel said:When a$$ hits ice it has a way of shattering those bonds, doesn't it,LOL? When she is on and on her feet it is something to behold.
gkelly said:The American audience, anyway. Wasn't enough to give her gold in SLC, and I expect a more neutral audience in Torino. But if she skates her best, she should certainly be able to get 8s and maybe 9s in some of the components.
gkelly said:The American audience, anyway. Wasn't enough to give her gold in SLC, and I expect a more neutral audience in Torino. But if she skates her best, she should certainly be able to get 8s and maybe 9s in some of the components.
Mathman said:
"Fake it till you make it," LOL.
Joesitz said:ITA.
Sadly, once the overzealous judges are realized by their colleagues all the judges will start comparing skaters for the win.
Joe
This was the second post after Joe's yet most people--the exceptions know who they are --are focusing on how this one criterion out of five for Performance/Execution will ensure that the Russians will get all the OGM medals.Screech said:The perfect score for PCS is a 10.0
I believe the highest scores given (by an individual judge) for PCS was for Jeff's SP at the GPF last year where one judge gave him 9.25 for performance/execution and also for choreography. He also got a 9 from that same judge for interpretation. That judge also gave Emanuel a 9.25 for performance/execution. (Plush got a 9.0 on all 3 of those aspects of PCS, and Emanuel also got a 9.0 on interpretation). I don't think I've seen an overall score for a component go past 8.5 (Plush), but I know Jeff has received the highest by an individual judge with those scores.
Assuming both Screech and Chuckm are correct, then IMO the COP is doing exactly what it was intended to do; that is, allow some judges to give high scores to skaters they think are deserving in areas that are impossible to quantify. Previously, "some posters" complained that the COP would not reward a skater such as Michelle for what she does best, one of which being her connection with the audience. Well, here it is.So far, the only skaters we've seen who got 9s from (some of ) the judges were Irina and Navka/Kostomarov. I expect to see near-10s for N/K at Torino, and I think that is ridiculous. They are good, but they aren't THAT good. If Plushenko is in fighting trim, I'm sure we will see 9+ for him too. We haven't seen Totmianina / Marinin yet, but look for 9s there also.
Anybody see a trend here?
Mathman said:"Fake it till you make it." LOL!
Now, Piel. You know Martha would never do anything so crass as to "fire" someone. She would just tell Mathman, "It's time for you to go," and then write him a pleasant note with criticisms between the lines.Piel said:Martha will fire you for that .
Only if you turn it upside-down.Joesitz said:CoP Scores at 9! Is that same as 6.0?
Rgirl - You are joking. I can just imagine the bloc blocking out Miki and Joannie in favor of Sasha. or blocking out Daisake and Li in favor of Johnny. Where oh where are the Taiwanese on this issue.:scratch:Rgirl said:Speaking of blocs, how about the North American/Asian bloc?
Oh dear, if I only knew which 4 were thrown out:banging:[/QUOTE]It's one thing to say who got the highest component score in any of the categories, but it's quite another to own up to the fact that the two highest and two lowest component scores get THROWN OUT. They don't go into the average that counts towards the placements. It's as if they don't even exist. The highs and lows are the truly invisible scores. They don't count.
Mme Curie was like that, too. I guess a standing ovation will clear up this radiating crowd for Carolina.'s one fifth of the score.As for the wording for the "Projection" element of Performance/Execution, again, just 1/5th of the P/E category: "The skater radiates energy resulting in an invisible connection with the audience," I have absolutely no problem with it. If such wording were not included, people would be complaining, "But what about the skater who bonds with the audience? Who radiates energy resulting in an invisible connection the audience? THAT'S why I watch and love figure skating!"
Rgirl said:Speaking of blocs, what about the North American/Asian bloc?
I meant the North American and Asian judges working together as a bloc the way the Russians and Eastern European judges are said to do. Thus the NA/Asian bloc could conceivably, if you believe they can work in the NJS, block out a Russian or Eastern European skater or team.Joesitz said:Rgirl - You are joking. I can just imagine the bloc blocking out Miki and Joannie in favor of Sasha. or blocking out Daisake and Li in favor of Johnny. Where oh where are the Taiwanese on this issue.:scratch:
Oh, now you're pulling my leg.Joesitz said:Oh dear, if I only knew which 4 were thrown out:banging:
Assuming each component category is defined by five elements (just to make it easier for me to try to calculate), if there are 11 judges, each element is 1/275th of what goes into the total component scores, which, after the two high, two low, and two random are thrown out, leaving the scores of five judges, becomes 1/25th of what goes into the component scores that go into determining placement.Joesitz said:Mme Curie was like that, too. I guess a standing ovation will clear up this radiating crowd for Carolina.'s one fifth of the score.
Now in all seriousness, bloc judging can only be of value for a renowned top skater who is competing against another renowned top skater and the pending results appear to be close. e.g.:Rgirl said:I meant the North American and Asian judges working together as a bloc the way the Russians and Eastern European judges are said to do. Thus the NA/Asian bloc could conceivably, if you believe they can work in the NJS, block out a Russian or Eastern European skater or team.
Rgirl