Well said.Originally Posted by realistic51
Well said.Originally Posted by realistic51
ITA, Mathman... the CoP might be what skating needs in a lot of ways...Originally Posted by Mathman
what always gets my attention is the fact that many of the pro skaters are behind this new system. I think Scott Hamilton's teh only one that's come out and said he doesn't like it... but Paul Wylie has praised it, Sale and Pelletier praised it early on... maybe there's something to this
Skating was already a sport... just because something prided itself on being beautiful, didn't make it any less athletic or demanding... just cooler.Originally Posted by Red Dog
The popularity of skating began its decline post SLC... but if one were to argue that the USFS is damaging the sport by hanging its hat on its Champion, I would add that viewership began its total nosedive AFTER said bore began to skate less at televised events... just a thought.Originally Posted by soogar
In terms of the future of skating itself, I'd like to believe that the sport is bigger than one person... but based on the lack of interest of hard core fans in this Olympic season, for a variety of reasons - some concerning Kwan but more that don't, I'm not so sure...
The future of skating depends on casual fans becoming obsessed and continued sponsor dollars. Issues that go waayy beyond one skater & if one reads the USFS Business Plan, it becomes obvious that the organization doesn't have a clue in creating a new model for the future. I'd say less reliance on "business as usual" and a more NASCAR mentality.
I respect your opinion and understand where you come from, but- isn't that what exhibition pieces are for? Professional skating? I'm really referring to competitive skating here. I have my own personal reasons, but how can one call something that is so subjective a sport?So maybe you want the sport to be a sport in the strictest sense possible. That's fine, too. But I don't. It's not why I started watching figure skating anyway. I watch snowboarding and skiing for pure athleticism along with boxing, football, basketball, tennis, etc. And there's beauty in the athleticism in those sports because that's what they've always been. Athletically inclined sports. But figure skating, to me, has always combined beauty WITH athleticism in a different way. I'm not saying this right, so I'll quit now.
Perhaps, like other posters have already touched upon, the exhibition pieces and pro skaters can use this to their advantage and focus more on preserving the "old" style of skating, while competitive skating continues to get more athletic and "sport"- like.
I also agree with soogar. Kwan may have a lot of fans, but I think some people need to get their heads out of the sand and realize that KWAN ISN'T FIGURE SKATING. Skating has existed before Kwan's arrival, and will continue to exist after her departure. I don't doubt that the overall amount of viewers might decrease, but rest assured- skating WILL continue. Plus, viewership is decreasing ANYWAY even WITH Kwan around. I don't think we can blame Kwan for this demise.
It wasn't Kwan that brought the viewers- it was the "whack" that did. Once the honeymoon was over, ratings started to fall back to where they were before. Kwan, et al. may have held a few of those extra fans that started watching, but once they leave, we start all over again. Plus, no one can predict the future. Who knows? Something could happen to drum up interest again. Or, skating will just be one of those every-4-years events, like skiing or speed skating.
mzheng- thanks. I wasn't aware of that. Very interesting, actually. And scary, for anyone else.
ITA.Originally Posted by Kwanford Wife
No one says without kwan there will be no skating. All some ppl here saying is Kwan did bring in a lot fans (especially in US) into amature skating rink during her a dacade competing. Some of them will remain as active FS fan, some may just leave because the star who first caught their eye retiring. Some may hang around for a while for next big thing to come on the scene and catch their interesting again....I for one would not be able to find so much time to spend on FS boards. I guess this is kind of bad news for Ant-Kwan fans, since there is one less poster they can 'snark on'. lol
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I started a tirade of antiKwans when suggesting that her retirement may be another set back in figure skating attendance both live and on TV.
It wasn't meant to be the definitive reason for the set back in figure skating. It will be a factor though along with silly costumed, dumb looking, pro skaters many of whom have Oly medals and all have been Olympians suddenly wanting to turn figure skating into some sort of nonsensical sport.
I think COI and SOI can handle the pro skating exhibitions and choreographed numbers quite well and with a sense of humor without resorting to the antics we saw in Sunday afternoon 'competitions'. Only a child's mind could enjoy that slapstick.
It's an up hill battle to get Pro Skating back on a regular basis and with Kwan retiring there will be a drop in interest with eligible skating. JMO.
NonKwans take note: Of course figure skating will continue, but imo, there will definitely be some luster lost.
Originally Posted by Joesitz
I don't think so... certainly a lot of interest will go down... I read on MKF a couple of seasons ago that once Michelle quit skating, that was it for their interest. I am still puzzled by this because I was always under the impression that skating was more than one athlete. That'd be like saying "football was only good with Joe Montana was playing" SF 49er football might be able to say that, but there have been many amazing games since his retirement...
just as there will be many great skaters/competitions post-Michelle.
I wonder if maybe the US media will turn its attention to Johnny Weir. I get the MK vibe from him, meaning he's in here until he's ready to be out. We may see him at nationals for eons yet to come and he might sweep it up every year... should he do that, would the US media treat him as they have Kwan? Would it ignite something in US attention to teh sport?
Skating was very popular in the late 80's , esp when the skaters from the 1988 Olympics retired. I remember watching all of those pro competitions and the skating was excellent as well. Skating became very crappy after the whack contributed to the proliferation of cheesy pro comps. Though I remember the GP being very interesting in 1997-1998 season when fans were following both Michelle and Tara in the GP (at least the coverage was great, not sure about the ratings).Originally Posted by Joesitz
I think many people would agree with me that the "golden age" of skating was when the 1988 and 1992 skaters turned pro. That group of skaters (Brian Boitano, Kristy Y and others) busted their butts to keep their level of technical skating high and further themselves artistically. Quite frankly, I don't see any of the current crop of skaters retiring and showing that kind of commitment to pro skating. Brian already commented in an interivew that Michelle didn't want to turn pro because she just wants to put her routines out there and compete (either Blades on Ice or IFS). Looking at what little she has put in her skating the past few years, I don't see Michelle setting the pro world on fire if she turns pro.
As for Kwan bringing in fans. I don't think she brought in fans but rather kept fans from the whack. People tuned in to watch the skating from the whack and then became interested in this little girl on the fringe of all the chaos. As a result, people stayed tuned to see her progress.
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The Irina fans in my area and myself have already done so.Originally Posted by Red Dog
It's hard to guess how it will all turn out. Just because an activity is athletic and sport-like doesn't mean anyone will want to do it or to watch it.Originally Posted by Red Dog
Figure skating has always been something of a niche sport. For whatever reason, audiences will pay to see tall people bouncing a rubber ball, but they don't care much about short people leaping about on ice skates.
So what is it that keeps ice skating from disappearing from the sports and entertainment scene altogether? To me, it's the rush that sweeps over you when Michelle Kwan hits her spiral, or when Todd Eldredge lands a huge triple Axel. (OK, maybe you personally don't get off on Todd so much, but anyway...)
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Skating is ALREADY on the decline. That's why I don't see the justification for saying that when Kwan is gone, viewership will decrease. Well guess what, guys. It's ALREADY decreasing. In other words, I highly doubt MK leaving will make that much of a difference. However, it might have ripple effects on general interest (i.e. during the Olympics) if the U.S. doesn't have at least one strong contender for gold.
Y'all better knock yourselves out. If history is an indication, however, Irina may not quite have that gold medal in her pocket yet. (Although she is basically holding it and trying to run away with it now.)The Irina fans in my area and myself have already done so.
Well, you're right, but...err, what makes you think I get off on Michelle? Alright, just kidding.(OK, maybe you personally don't get off on Todd so much, but anyway...)
Many of the ones that turned pro in 94 did the same. Kurt kept up the technical for some years after...Originally Posted by soogar
I think the "Golden Age" was longer than just 4-6 years... I think it began to decline after 98... at least that's when pro skating took a nose dive
Originally Posted by Kwanford Wife
If the intent of the NJS is to make figure skating "more like other sports," which sports are we trying to emulate? Tobogganing? Ski jumping? Snow shoeing?
Excellent activities, one and all. The paricipants get lots of exercise in the fresh air and they satisfy their competive drive by winning prizes against each other.
Was it the intent of the ISU to make figure skating more like speed skating? If so, it's a Faustian bargain. For better or for worse, figure skating is a performance sport. What does it profit a person to gain the whole world if he loses his own soul?
Do you get Blades on Ice? Check out the picture on page 12.Originally Posted by Red Dog