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JFC, what a post, Rgirl!! Makes me glad I got up this morning after all!Rgirl said:Specifically for Sasha, here's how I evaluated her Spiral Step sequence based on edges, speed, and positions...(etc.)
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JFC, what a post, Rgirl!! Makes me glad I got up this morning after all!Rgirl said:Specifically for Sasha, here's how I evaluated her Spiral Step sequence based on edges, speed, and positions...(etc.)
Frau Muller said:Funny how ESPN failed to mention that Sasha's free program was deemed THIRD best (behind Arakawa's)> hee-hee....
I totally agree with the judges' scores for Sasha's presentation, versus Mao's. Sasha is a cold automaton. Lines & high-hiked legs alone do not cut it. Mao was ALIVE & charismatic, in addition to showing great extensions. LIFE above ROBOTS. Furthermore....see the lean of Mao's edges, compared with Sasha's. Speed, flow, lean, carefreeness....that, too, is part of the presentation scores. Not just hiking-up of legs.
Thanks MM -The Technical Specialist is the actual Caller (Yes?)Mathman said:Referee Mr. Paolo PIZZOCARI Italy
Technical Controller Ms. Ann HARDY-THOMAS France
Technical Specialist Ms. Pirjo UIMONEN Finland
Assistant Technical Specialist Mr. Scott DAVIS USA
Judge No.1 Ms. Marina BESCHEA ROM
Judge No.2 Mr. Francis BETSCH FRA
Judge No.3 Mr. Rolf PIPOH GER
Judge No.4 Ms. Gale TANGER USA
Judge No.5 Mr. William THOMPSON CAN
Judge No.6 Ms. Mieko FUJIMORI JPN
Judge No.7 Ms. Marina SANAIA RUS
Judge No.8 Ms. Irina MEDVEDEVA UKR
Judge No.9 Ms. Katarina HENRIKSSON SWE
Judge No.10 Ms. Olga ZAKOVA CZE
Frau Muller said:Funny how ESPN failed to mention that Sasha's free program was deemed THIRD best (behind Arakawa's)> hee-hee....
I totally agree with the judges' scores for Sasha's presentation, versus Mao's. Sasha is a cold automaton. Lines & high-hiked legs alone do not cut it. Mao was ALIVE & charismatic, in addition to showing great extensions. LIFE above ROBOTS. Furthermore....see the lean of Mao's edges, compared with Sasha's. Speed, flow, lean, carefreeness....that, too, is part of the presentation scores. Not just hiking-up of legs, in a self-contained world.
Wake up & smell the coffee regarding Sasha's aloofness (& Johnny Weir's, too). Just cuz they're AMERICANS doesn't give them instant charisma & warmth.
Mao's PCS scores, which are not a substitute for the "old presentation mark," and I wish Terry Gannon would stop saying that, were generally too high, IMO.Frau Muller said:Funny how ESPN failed to mention that Sasha's free program was deemed THIRD best (behind Arakawa's)> hee-hee....
I totally agree with the judges' scores for Sasha's presentation, versus Mao's. Sasha is a cold automaton. Lines & high-hiked legs alone do not cut it. Mao was ALIVE & charismatic, in addition to showing great extensions. LIFE above ROBOTS. Furthermore....see the lean of Mao's edges, compared with Sasha's. Speed, flow, lean, carefreeness....that, too, is part of the presentation scores. Not just hiking-up of legs, in a self-contained world.
Wake up & smell the coffee regarding Sasha's aloofness (& Johnny Weir's, too). Just cuz they're AMERICANS doesn't give them instant charisma & warmth.
Red Dog said:FINALLY, a non "Cohen-was-robbed-boo-hoo" post!!!
DG Caller, Rgirl mind mush strikes again. I would say, "How could I forget the GOE?!" But by now we know I could ride the subway naked if I was having a bad "remember clothes?" day.Doggygirl said:To add to MM's clarification of the technical panel role....
Maybe this was your intent to mix the roles of the technical panel and the judges in your descriptions of the various elements, because I liked reading your evaluations! But just in case there is a misunderstanding, the technical people have nothing to do with evaluating the quality of an element performed. As an example, a level 3 spiral is called based on meeting the defined criteria - number of postions, edge changes, meeting the time requirement for holding positions, etc. So it is possible to view a great spiral (in terms of how it is performed), a mediocre spiral and a craptacular spiral that are all level three in difficulty. The GOE that the judges assign is where to look on the "quality front" where reward/penalty is to be given for things you mention like speed, deep edges, and all of that.
If you look at the spirals for Mao, Shiz and Sasha, yes they were all called as level 3. In terms of the "quality" here's how the judges called it (using all 10). Mao received 3 GOE of +1, and 7 GOE of 0. After factoring she got a total score of 3.3 for this element.
Shiz received 5 +2 GOE and 5 +1 GOE for hers. So after factoring she got a total of 3.9 points for this element.
Sasha received 10 +2 GOE for her spiral, for a total score on this element of 4.1 points.....
Rgirl said:But by now we know I could ride the subway naked if I was having a bad "remember clothes?" day.
Rgirl
Doggygirl said::
Long after this competition is past, if you asked me to pick one program to watch again it would more likely be Sasha's or Shiz's if I could only pick one, but probably not be Mao's. But I can see how she won the day from a competitive standpoint.
DG
Go on and on! Say one about Fumie!!Rgirl said:Personally, I love Johnny Weir's skating "unto himself" as Dick Button calls it. Watching someone genuinely and deeply involved in the Zen of his or her skating is very compelling to me. Of course I enjoy the uninhibited playfulness of a Mao Asada. But I enjoy just as much and often more the lively depth of Sasha Cohen; the regal lyricism of Michelle Kwan; the powerful life force of Irina Slutskaya; the quiet power of Shizuka Arakawa, who is a completely different person and skater than she was just three years ago. I could go on and on.
However, this "R/J" performance was anything but aloof, remote, or robotic. I could feel Sasha's heart beating with "Romeo, Romeo, where for art thou?" through the entire program. I've also been fortunate enough to see Sasha compete live. It was the '03 Campbell's at Madison Square Garden, which usually fully deserves the name "cheesefest" by every skater's moldy performance. But at this Campbell's, Sasha debuted Tarasova's black and white "Swan Lake." New York City gets almost no competitions--venues too expensive--so the Garden was packed. I'd say Sasha blew the roof off at best and at worst gave a stunning, dramatic, heartfelt performance.
Joe and Nymkfan were also there, and I'd be interested in hearing their reactions, positive or negative.
Frau Muller said:Funny how ESPN failed to mention that Sasha's free program was deemed THIRD best (behind Arakawa's)
equestrianguy said:In terms of Cohen's music interpretation, IMO, Sasha's way of presenting has always been about Cohen and not the music.
That statement is very interesting.. I have to agree, but you can also take out Sasha's name in that sentence and replace it with Irina's or Michelle's.. I think they are all great skaters don't get me wrong. Although, they are going to be remembered for their own special style/moves no matter what music they are skating too...
bdreampixie said:Shizuka is the only lady that IMO was robbed. Her strength, flow, speed, power and control was the best of anyone there. Her PCS should have been the highest.
I agree about her breezy quality. I imagine she will develop into an ethereal style. I think if she keeps on working on her basic skating skills she may approach Katia like speed, stroking efficiency, and speed soon. I disagree with Suzie that Mao's skating "lack maturity" and many people complain that Mao look juniorish, she is only 15, so she looks young, but her skating is not juniorish at all. I don't think maturity is a criteria set the the ISU rules committee eitherMao's PCS were fine. She covers the ice really well, has good edges, flow. The best thing about her skating is the breezy quality that she has. An ease of movement that is very pleasing. She meets every single requirement for high underPCS marks, so her score is fair.
According to people who were there Mao received the biggest ovation. Cohen's speed is the worst among the top skaters minus Cupcake, IMO Miki and Mao easily out speed her. I watched Cohen in live competition a few times, and her lack of speed is frustrating. In the footwork section, Cohen's feet are busy and quick, but all the quickness does not translate to speed (velocity across the ice). If you watch the footwork work of e.g. Maneochenko (spelling) Irina, or Yuka Sato ., all these ladies don't have busy quickness, but with one move of the blade they travel huge distance.. I've seen Sasha live at Nats and have come away completely unimpressed. TV does Sasha a lot of favors. I read enough live reports from TEB and almost all felt the result were fair.