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  • Irina Slutskaya

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Thread: Better quality jumper-Tara or Irina?

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    Tara was more consistent with her difficult elements than Irina. Irina had her in the technique, but Tara mastered the art of triple sequences and 6-7 triple performances. Tara's 3loop/3loop was practically a given in every competition from 1997-1998

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    Irina by a mile!

    I could live with Tara's flutz, but her double axel caused me to clench my teeth HARD. I know it has something to do with roller skating. It's like she hurled herself sideways instead of jumping. I want it outlawed as an abomination! There should be a zero tolerance policy for perverted axels! Kostner and Kirk both do it too. Why don't they fix it? Is it like trying to fix a flutz? It's just ugly.
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    Irina can skate on ice skates

    Better than anyone else.

    Tara L. skates like she's wearing roller skates.

    How did she get the gold? who knows.

    rip-off. She no longer skates.

    shdotz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz
    What a dumb comparison. Irina gets off the ice about 6 inches while Tara got off the ice about 1/4inch.
    Agreed for the first part but Irina's jumps are much higher than 6 inches! Rather 3 times higher! Not sure for Tara though ...

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    I voted for Irina, because Tara´s tiny jumps hardly rising above the ice level have never impressed me. Besides height, Irina´s jumps have other excellent qualities also.

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    How on earth Tara gets 30% of yes votes I will never know, but to her credit even though her jumps were of poor quality, she was extremely consistent in doing 7-triple performances with a very consistent triple loop-triple loop so perhaps those that voted for her were recognizing her ability to extremly hard jumps so consistently, even though with poor technique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz
    What a dumb comparison. Irina gets off the ice about 6 inches while Tara got off the ice about 1/4inch.
    6 Inches??? You have to be kidding - Irina jumps much higer than 6 inches off the ground!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by soogar
    Well I like the height on Irina's jumps so I voted for her. Though Tara had better technique on her edge jumps (save for the axel) and Tara worked on her lutz where it was looking very good by the 98 Olympics. I also liked Tara's jump run out. I think that Tara's jumps would have imprived a lot if she hadn't gotten injured. I remember Tara competing in a pro competition a year after her win and her jumps were much higher as her physique matured.
    While her jumps may have gotten bigger, in her pro career the flutz became worse than before the fixes mades for teh 97/98 season. I think her technique got worse in the pro years but she was able to jump higher because she had matured physically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladysarahchatto
    Irina's clearly are more powerful. Both have something wanting in technique. Irina telegraphs her jumps by holding her arms kind of bent, and then she seems to brake the jump with no real flow. Tara was a roller skater and I think that was the reason for her particular style of jumps. And she was tiny thing. It's hard for the smaller girls with slight builds to get that kind of height (Irina's) on jumps. And of course Tara was a Flutzer. Irina is not.
    But Irina is a 'lipper on her flip.

    Ant

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    Quote Originally Posted by anything_for_skating
    Irina is the best jumper!
    And BTW, when Tara did her famous 3-3 loop combo, it was actually 3-2.5, ao we can say ahe never did 3-3
    Look again at the 3lp/3lp in Nagano - the jump was clearly clean - she goes into the first jump heading towards the barrier and comes out of the second jump heading away from the barrier - any inherent "cheat" on the loop is over come by rotating the full amount and heading back out 180 degrees from teh way she went in.

    I agree a lot of the time that combination was short but at the Olympics is was clean.

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    Irina by a thousand miles! She has great height, power in her jumps. Tara's baby jumps don't come close.

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    Vash, I have a question for you, two actually.

    First of all did you used to post on CNNSI figure skating message boards? I was davidr21 there.

    Secondly do you think Irina or Tonya Harding should be rated higher all time as a jumper. I remember arguing with some people on this saying that Irina should be since she regularly lands 5-7 triples, along with doing them with such exceptional quality; and while Tonya might have the even better quality jumps, she turned in a 2-3 triple performance 60% of the time or more. I just did not think it was fair to rate such a horrably inconsistent competitive jumper, a top 2 jumper all time which is what the people I was arguing with believed. She certainly had the potential to be a top 2 jumper all time, but the fact she chose to get out of shape, chose not to show her true potential as a jumper often in competition, was a poor competitor who fell on many of her jumps despite her natural jumping talent, etc....should not rate her as a top 2 jumper all time just because of her jumping talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slutskayafan21
    Vash, I have a question for you, two actually.

    First of all did you used to post on CNNSI figure skating message boards? I was davidr21 there.

    Secondly do you think Irina or Tonya Harding should be rated higher all time as a jumper. I remember arguing with some people on this saying that Irina should be since she regularly lands 5-7 triples, along with doing them with such exceptional quality; and while Tonya might have the even better quality jumps, she turned in a 2-3 triple performance 60% of the time or more. I just did not think it was fair to rate such a horrably inconsistent competitive jumper, a top 2 jumper all time which is what the people I was arguing with believed. She certainly had the potential to be a top 2 jumper all time, but the fact she chose to get out of shape, chose not to show her true potential as a jumper often in competition, was a poor competitor who fell on many of her jumps despite her natural jumping talent, etc....should not rate her as a top 2 jumper all time just because of her jumping talent.
    No, I never posted on CNNSI.

    Between Irina and Tonya, it is hard for me to be objective- partly because I feel Irina has more than just jumps. I love her overall skating. Partly because I have not watched Tonya's skating in many years, so it is hard to remember. She was a great athlete and for a couple of years her jumps were great. She was not a very consistent jumper, as you pointed out. In 1991 she won the US nationals, beating Kristi Yamaguchi, but same year at worlds she completed just 2 or 3 jumps (I will have to watch the tape to come up with an exact number). In 1991 SA she skated very well, but by the time USN rolled around, she was not that great. She did win the world silver, but Irina has won two world championships. Irina has been more consistent with her jumps over many years. It is extremely rare to see Irina do less than 5 triples in an LP. I like the power and height of her jumps. Sometimes she telegraphs the triple flip. I will have to watch Tonya's again to be able to compare, but I don't recall her telegraphing the flip. Tonya did high quality jumps but I will have to view them sbs with Irina's to be able to compare.

    Another thing (besides consistency) that would push Irina over Tonya is that she did more difficult jump combinations (3Z-3R, 3S-3R-2t, 3S-2t-2R, 3f-3t, 3t-3t and 3Z-2R). Tonya's combinations were (IIRC) 3Z-2t, 3t-3t and 3A-2t (she landed it once, I think- at 91 SA?). After 92 Tonya did not skate the way her incredible athletic ability would have allowed her to.

    So my final answer is- Irina is a better jumper than Tonya. If Tonya had realized her potential, may be she could have been the #2 jumper.

    (IMO the best jumper ever in the ladies event is still Midori Ito)

    Sorry, I got OT.

    Vash
    Last edited by Vash01; 04-17-2006 at 02:47 AM.

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    Irina's jumps are better quality but her transitions are NOT. She takes too long to enter jumps.

    Lipinski was way more consistent too.

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    ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?!?!

    Irina is like the ....... MASTER!
    No I made a graphic of her!

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