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    Quote Originally Posted by IndieBoi
    That's a great article... thanks Geisha!!

    Off topic, but I was wondering why, except for Mira Leung, no Canadian woman has respectable spirals. Most of the U.S. ladies have respectable to superb spirals and being so close you'd think the Canadian coaches would pick up on it on their athletes.

    Also, I wonder why Mira didn't try to squeeze more points out with more Bielman spin variations -- not that I think it's a good thing. But heck, Irina is doing it so why not if it'll serve her purpose.
    I really wish that they would limit the amount of Bielmann's that are allowed, but I do agree with you. If you are allowed to go for it why not? Although Leung hasn't developed enough flexibility in her spinning leg during the Bielmann position as of yet to really maximize the point totals she could acheive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ladskater
    ?????? Joannie consistent? Joannie is going to have to skate a lot better in her long program when she is up against the US and Japanese ladies at the Olympics and Worlds. She was okay for the Canadians, but will have to really focus when she goes up against the top ladies at the Olympics. Mira outskated Joannie. She is the kind of skater we have been waiting for so long.
    I didn't flat out say she is 'consistent' I said she is 'fairly' consistent, and I would consider her to be a bit more consistent than Jeff. She doesn't have the consistency of Mao or Irina, but she doesn't normally fall down go boom over and over and over again.

    As for Mira outskating Joannie... Mira OUTJUMPED Joannie. Yes, this new LP was definitely amazing for Mira what with the actual choreo and everything, but Jo has something Mira doesn't - amazing basic skating skills. If they were required to just skate around in circles for hours, and do edges and things like that, Joannie would be miles and miles ahead. It's called figure SKATING not figure JUMPING. But Mira has definitely taken a step in the right direction.

    Quote Originally Posted by IndieBoi
    Off topic, but I was wondering why, except for Mira Leung, no Canadian woman has respectable spirals. Most of the U.S. ladies have respectable to superb spirals and being so close you'd think the Canadian coaches would pick up on it on their athletes.
    I think that Jo has a nice spiral - great control, a free leg far above her hip, nice edging, and its especially nice when she does the layover position. As for mira, yes, her legs are in the split, but her free leg is bent, and she has to have her upper body extremely low to achieve that position. If she were to keep her upper body parallel to the ice as someone like Joannie does, or Sasha, Mira's leg would definitely be lower.

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    I totally agree with you on the Zayak rule for Beillmans. But if I were a competitor and I can only resort to so many tricks, I'll probably milk it too, and have a more 'balanced' program for the winners exhibition, lol.

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    While I'm tired of Beillmans, I dont think its right to ban one particular position. I mean, that position isn't used any more than the camel/spiral position. Or the sit position... so then it would go to say that a basic spiral would have to be limited too, but that position is also in camels, so that would have to be limited...

    I just say darn that Irina for pimping the Beillman so much that everyone wants to have a go with it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by geisha
    Wow, Mira Leung only missed three jumps in the whole season, including the double axle last night!!
    Yes, this is true, BUT Mira has alot of jump troubles. Her jumps are not nice to look at, they do not flow out of the landings and some of her jump techniques on certain jumps are wrong. Therefore, she is always given negative marks on her jumps and not awarded full points for the jump.

    Joannie's flow more coming out of the landing, and she does not have many, if ANY, jump problems except for falling here and there.

    As I've said before, gove Mira a year or 2 to work these problems out and she'll be right up there with Joannie. I've always wanted to see a rivalry in the women's field in Canada and I think Mira is the only one now who can offer this. Just give her time. She's not ready to compete with the big guns as much as Joannie is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by screech
    While I'm tired of Beillmans, I dont think its right to ban one particular position. I mean, that position isn't used any more than the camel/spiral position. Or the sit position... so then it would go to say that a basic spiral would have to be limited too, but that position is also in camels, so that would have to be limited...

    I just say darn that Irina for pimping the Beillman so much that everyone wants to have a go with it!
    Okay, I was exaggerating a bit when I said it should be banned, LOL, but not on the Zayak rule for Beillmans idea. Yes, the sit spin position and basic spiral are also well-used, but there are what? maybe one or two per program? The problem with the Beillman position is that it has infected people's programs until they're practically contorting themselves into it during jumps....(that's an exaggeration too, just to be clear, lol). Slutskaya spends half her program with her foot stuck up behind her head. It's boring choreographically. It's used in spins and spirals, over and over and over again. I really don't want to see it more than once or twice in a program, just like I don't really want to see eight triple loops. We get it, you can do it. It's hard. But what it's doing now is taking away from creativity and variation in movement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDMM1991
    So happy for Lesley! Would have loved to see her go to the Olympics, but a podium finish is still great in comparison to all of her past results. She is one of the, if not the, nicest skaters I have ever met, and is also one of the most sportsmanlike athletes I have ever seen. She is a true inspiration I think, because even without great results, she has pushed through and continued to enjoy skating. I also find it extremely interesting and intriguing that she didn't land her first triple until she was sixteen. I think this shows that no matter how little "natural talent" you have at a young age, you can still succeed if you keep working. I do have to concede that Mira deserved it and is also a very gracious and sportsmanlike athlete.
    This is the first time I've seen Lesley and I was pleasantly surprised about her overall skating quality. I look forward to seeing her more.

    I like this quotation because it think sportsmanship is extremely important. I think character is more important than how well you do. So what if say you come first, but your attitude stinks. People will only be talking about what a rude, snotty person you are. I also like this quotation because I do find the fact that Lesley landing her first triple at sixteen very inspiring and admirable. There is so much hype about how young a skater is when they start landing triples. I think it is even more admirable when an older person is landing them. It goes against what other people say about you're too old for this and that.

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