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    I'm really worried that a lot of Meissner's triples won't be counted. Throughout the GP, people have said that Meissner underrotates her triples a lot and I didn't think they were that bad, though I didn't really pay much attention to her. However, during the Nats LP, I thought they were really underrotated and she clearly having trouble getting all of her triples to be rotated. I think she got the benefit of the doubt at these Nats, but I'm worried that the judges will ding her at Torino and Worlds.

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    We should put our money together and send Emily & Kimmie to David Wilson for emergency tweaking of their programs.

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    Tweaking won't do a thing for Kimmie and Emily unless they fully rotate and land all their jumps. Emily falls a lot because of underrotation. Both of them were given the benefit of the doubt in Junior events (and of course, Nationals) but their bad habits have to be broken NOW if they expect to place well internationally as Seniors.

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    I think she would have a shot but she would not be a shoe-in

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    Of course she could (to answer the title of this thread). Not only that -- Kimmie could win the Big-O prize in Turin. Kimmie could have the skate of her life with, say, a triple axel plus two different 3-3 combos...and the Slutskayas, Cohens & Japanese ladies could have sub-par performances. Anything can happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frau Muller
    Of course she could (to answer the title of this thread). Not only that -- Kimmie could win the Big-O prize in Turin. Kimmie could have the skate of her life with, say, a triple axel plus two different 3-3 combos...and the Slutskayas, Cohens & Japanese ladies could have sub-par performances. Anything can happen.

    as the NY lottery ads say, "Hey, ya never know!"

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    I think it is ridiculous to suggest that Kimmie could win the OGM.

    First of all, EVERY lady OGM winner since there was a Ladies FS event in the Olympics has stood on the World podium before winning the OGM. Every single one.

    Kimmie has never competed in an ISU senior championship event. When skaters like Irina and Sasha are getting high 7s and 8s in their PCS scores, Kimmie is getting low 6s, and with good reason: her spins, spirals and footwork are not anywhere near at the levels of the highest rank senior ladies.

    Bottom line: a skater like Kimmie cannot beat an Irina, a Sasha, or a Shizuka on jumps alone---and Kimmie's jumps have been consistently downgraded by the caller in her GP events. Kimmie is a very promising skater, but her skating is still in the formative stages.

    Both Sarah and Tara had multiple years of competing against Senior ladies---and medaling, and winning. Kimmie just competed in her first year on the GP and did not medal at all. The one and only international event Kimmie has ever won was the 2003 Slovenia JGP.

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    Kimmie is a talented lady skater whose championships are a work in progress. Think Sasha another talented skater and it took her 5 years to win the Nats, but she did. Give Kimmie the time and let's see.

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    I don't think Kimmie stands a chance of even making the Top 20 at the Olympics nor the Worlds even if she has the skate or skates of her life. Simply she doesn't have the talent nor the full package. Not only that but she bores me stiff and watching her skate once was enough for a lifetime for me.

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    i normally don't respond to posts such as above, but I just wanted to point out that baby blue font pales on the screen. Really can't read it - and I do have 20/20 vision.

    why would not people just use normal black/times fonts??

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm
    Tweaking won't do a thing for Kimmie and Emily unless they fully rotate and land all their jumps. Emily falls a lot because of underrotation. Both of them were given the benefit of the doubt in Junior events (and of course, Nationals) but their bad habits have to be broken NOW if they expect to place well internationally as Seniors.
    Has anyone looked at the breakdown of the scores. I know lots of fans see things that the judges do not. Did the judges actually score Kimmie's and Emilie's jumps down due to underrotation or was it just some fans who saw these?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~Muffin~
    I don't think Kimmie stands a chance of even making the Top 20 at the Olympics nor the Worlds even if she has the skate or skates of her life. Simply she doesn't have the talent nor the full package. Not only that but she bores me stiff and watching her skate once was enough for a lifetime for me.

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    That's as it should be. You should not watch anymore but remember that Lipinski was 21st in her first Olys and no one thought she should continue because of her immaturity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz
    Has anyone looked at the breakdown of the scores. I know lots of fans see things that the judges do not. Did the judges actually score Kimmie's and Emilie's jumps down due to underrotation or was it just some fans who saw these?

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    At TEB, Kimmie's two 3/3s in the FS were ratified. However, at NHK, she had a stepout between the 3F and the 3T and it was rated as a sequence with the second jump downgraded to a 2T. Her 3Z3T was downgraded to a 3Z2T. Even worse, her 3L was downgraded to 2L and the 3S, to 2S. That was pretty severe. I recall Paul Wylie commenting that many of Kimmie's jumps were downgraded in that FS.

    Emily's problem is somewhat worse. When she underrotates a jump, she often falls on it. That's what happened with the 3L at Nationals. At Skate America, she fell on a 3T in her SP and it was rated as a 2T. In the FS, she fell on the solo lutz, which was rated as a 2Z. At CoR, in the SP she fell on the double axel, which was rated as a 1A. In the FS, she fell on the lutz and the flip, and both were rated as doubles. Not only does she get a -1 for the fall, but the base value of the jump becomes negligible.

    At CoR, for instance, the lutz and the flip were each rated as 1.9 points with a -1 for the GOE, leaving 0.9 points. Then when the -1 deduction is taken, Emily actually had a net loss of 0.1 for each underrotated jump she fell on. Emily also has a tendency to pop jumps towards the end of her program.

    All of this information is available in the protocols for each competition.

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    Well I am sorry I am not a Kimmie fan but I was neither a Tara Lipinski fan, it seems the U.S. Ladies Olympic Team has one lady worth watching. Go Sasha!!!!!!!

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    eurterpe - Thanks for the reply. I hate the idea of branding skaters because of an accident. The posters pick this sort of thing up as Kimmie and Emily ALWAYS underrotate their jumps whether or not the judges see it or not.

    If they actually overrotated their jumps and the judges did not catch this error, then we should be complaining about the judges.

    If the judges did catch the accident then they were marked down appropriately.

    We should be judging the skaters (and judges) in each competition only.

    Joe

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