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    Quote Originally Posted by Linny
    Was it Abby Hoffman who went to court to win for all Americans the right to wear a flag?

    I may not agree with what it says, but I defend the right to say it.

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    Actually, the presentation to the court was the right to wear the American Flag on ones A**. sadly, all the other trashy costumery comes with that poor judicial decision.

    However, Hoffman vs. Court's decision did not alter the long held respect that te Flag is not to touch the ground. Irrespective as to how carefiul an artist may be, it is inappropriate to use the American flag as a prop.

    I would think thatTanith would have made a better decision to thank the U.S. government for her hastened citizenship, by performing a beautiful dance program AND not strollling to the ice dressed an a US flag and then waving it aroung like a sweat towel.

    Whatever Ms. Belbin''s thinking was, she and Agusto, coach and team, made a poor decision, costume, music and flag. Gawd, someone have some sense and not do this in Turin or Calgary!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DORISPULASKI
    Worst use of a flag award would go to all those idiots who stuck little flags on plastic sticks to the sides of their cars. After a while, the flags deteriorate, fall off, endanger the lives of other drivers, and are pounded to dust on the pavement (which is no way to treat the flag, which is not supposed to be allowed to touch the ground).
    ITA. Right after 9/11, a lot of drivers put flags on their cars. Then, a couple of later, it gave me chills to see all those American flags lying torn on highways, cars running over them. I realize the flags were put on the cars for patriotic reasons, but still found the site extremely disturbing.

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    flags on cars

    Mostly, I found it distressing to see flags stuck in gas guzzlers just before going to war to defend the oil supply.

    Back OT, someone mentioned that the full lyrics to Born in the Usa aren't exactly complimentary. Neither are the full lyrics to American Woman. Here's some of them:

    American woman, I said get way
    American woman, listen what I say
    Don't come hanging around my door
    Don't want to see your face no more
    I don't need your war machines
    I don't need your ghetto scenes
    Colored lights can hypnotize
    Sparkle someone else's eyes
    Now woman, get away

    Linny

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    I just hope that B&A do not skate this program outside North America...in fact, if would even be tacky of them to skate it at the end of Worlds, in Canada, as Tanith is also Canadian.

    Fun & moving in St Louis. It would be HORRENDOUS & might result in boos in Turin (or anywhere else on earth where Americans are detested). Sorry but that's the world in which we live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linny
    Mostly, I found it distressing to see flags stuck in gas guzzlers just before going to war to defend the oil supply.

    Back OT, someone mentioned that the full lyrics to Born in the Usa aren't exactly complimentary. Neither are the full lyrics to American Woman. Here's some of them:

    American woman, I said get way
    American woman, listen what I say
    Don't come hanging around my door
    Don't want to see your face no more
    I don't need your war machines
    I don't need your ghetto scenes
    Colored lights can hypnotize
    Sparkle someone else's eyes
    Now woman, get away

    Linny

    you are correct, the song was written by a guy in some Canadian band (the name I don't remember) who was sick of his fans (way to be grateful to your fans dude) at american shows - he thought the women were too made up and unnatural looking (and assumed they were all american, ya know, cuz we don't have immigrants here) and that Canadian girls were more natural looking (cough, pamela anderson, cough) lol. But I guess some people decided to make the song their own - like how some women try to "own" the B word. In either case, it is a sexist and not very nice song IMHO just to women in general, but free speech, blah blah blah, so I'll let him express himself and maybe I'll write my own little song about Canadian men! That'll get him.. I'll start making a list ...Michael J. Fox, Kurt Browning.... watch out!

    As for the program by Tanith & Ben - I didn't find it offensive and thought it was cute. Tanith looked very happy. Hopefully it was only for US Nationals though cuz I think it might come across as obnoxious if used in the Olympic games.

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    Everyone will probably be doing their exhibitions to Italian opera with a Tarantella thrown in here and there. Maybe even more R&J.

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    In my opinion, Tanith and Ben deserve a lot of credit for surviving a roller-coaster of emotions while waiting to learn whether or not Tanith would receive her US citizenship in time to qualify for the US Olympic team. They received it at the 11th hour, thanks the Congress (finally) passing a bill giving individuals with 'extraordinary talent/abilities' expedited US citizenship and to President Bush for signing the bill. They were just letting loose with joy, relief, and emotion.

    Granted, I'm not thrilled with seeing people using the US flag as a prop. IMHO, the flag should be hung on a flagpole or paraded with a post, and/or otherwise displayed in a respectful maner. Still, Tanith and Ben's use of the flag wasn't offensive, at least not to me. They showed how thrilled they were, how proud they were to both be American citizens.

    And, yes, I agree with several of the posters who thought Tanith's costume was a tad over the top and showed a bit too much skin. Frankly, Tanith's costumes this year are ALL a tad over the top and show a bit too much skin.

    One of the nicest exhibition performances to Ray Charles' "America the Beautiful" was skated by Kitty and Peter Carruthers following their 1984 Olympic silver medal win. I saw them skate to this in "Ice Capades" many years ago, and it was a wonderful program. The audience was on their feet, cheering.

    As for those who write that people might boo American skaters who have the audacity to skate to "America the Beautiful" outside of the continental US, I say, "Let them skate to America the Beautiful!!". If I was an Olympic figure skater and had the chance to skate an exhibition program, I would be delighted to skate to patriotic music. However, in doing so, I would not skate around punching my fists at the audience, shaking my booty, or acting like a jerk. I would skate to the music in a serious, respective mode. If that offended people - well, too bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFan4Life
    Tanith and Ben just skated to a medley of Bruce Springsteen's "Born in the USA" and Ray Charles "America". She was dressed in a sort of American flag costume, and they used a full-sized American flag during the number. When they finished the routine, they took their bows, holding the flag fully extended between them.

    Go, USA!

    Oh brother.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piel
    I think the "BITUSA" part was just pertaining to Ben beause he was BITUSA. If you notice the only lyrics that were played were BITUSA,. Then when Tanith came out it was the Canadian band The Guess Who singing "American Woman" which Tanith is now. Then together they skated to Ray Charles' "America". So as I understood it the guy BITUSA and the Canadian-American Woman (she has dual citizenship) skated together to "America".. I loved it but agree not for an international audience. But please no Green Acres.

    Funny they would choose that song - If only they knew what Burton Cummings is implying in his song "American Woman" (The Guess Who - Canadian group from the 70s) she might rethink that one. The song is actually putting down the US - it's an anti-war song. If she is trying to be patriotic, she is skating to the wrong tune. I guess Tanith is too young to know - it's not a flattering song for her....she should ask her dad.

    "American Woman"

    (As recorded by the Guess Who)
    RANDY C. BACHMAN
    BURTON CUMMINGS
    JIM KALE
    GARY PETERSON

    American woman gonna mess your mind
    American woman she gonna mess your mind
    Mm, american woman gonna mess your mind
    Mm, american woman gonna mess your mind
    I say A, I say M, I say E, I say R, say I, use C, say A, N, um
    American woman gonna mess your mind
    Mm, American woman gonna mess your mind
    Ooo, American woman gonna mess your mind.

    Ooo
    American woman, stay away from me
    American woman, mama let me be
    Don't come a-hangin' around my door
    I don't wanna see your face no more
    I got more important things to do
    Than spend my time growin' old with you
    Now woman, I said stay away
    American woman, listen what I say-ay-ay-ay.

    American woman, get away from me
    American woman, mama let me be
    Don't come a-knockin' around my door
    Don't wanna see your shadow no more
    Coloured lights can hypnotize
    Sparkle someone else's eyes
    Now woman, I said get away
    American woman, listen what I say-ay-ay-ay.

    American woman, said get away
    American woman, listen what I say
    Don't come a-hangin' around my door
    Don't wanna see your face no more
    I don't need your war machines
    I don't need your ghetto scenes
    Coloured lights can hypnotize
    Sparkle someone else's eyes
    Now woman, get away from me
    American woman, mother let me be.

    Go gotta get away
    Go gotta get away now go, go, go
    I'm gonna leave you woman
    Gonna leave you woman
    Bye-bye, bye-bye, bye-bye, bye-bye

    You're no good for me
    I'm no good for you
    Gonna look you right in the eye
    Tell you what I'm gonna do
    You know I'm gonna leave
    You know I'm gonna go
    You know I'm gonna leave
    You know I'm gonna go, woman
    I'm gonna leave, woman
    Goodbye American woman
    Goodbye American chick
    Goodbye American broad.

    (c) Copyright 1969 by Cirrus Music, Toronto, Canada. International copyright secured.
    All rights reserved including public performance for profit. All rights for the U.S.A.
    controlled by Dunbar Music, Inc., 1133 Avenue of the Americas, New York, N.Y. 10036.

    - SONG HITS, Summer 1974.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IDLERACER
    Click HERE to see the Kodak moment.
    The striking thing about that picture is Tanith's ribs sticking out!

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    They only used two lines of lyrics from the song.

    American woman stay away from me
    American woman mama let me be

    The rest was all music. I think their intent was to introduce themselves as born in the U.S.A. and an American woman.

    What is all of the uproar over Tanith's COSTUMES? She's not wearing them down Main Street. For the exhibition all that showed was from about an inch below her waist to right below where her bra would be.
    She exposed no more than someone wearing a midrif top. The skirt wasn't even THAT short. As for her competition dresses they have illusion fabric (fake flesh) all over the places that look like bare. The ice dancers dress skirts are much longer than the singles and pairs skaters ladies. I live in the Bible Belt and our cheerleaders, majorettes, and flag corp girls wear skimpier costumes than anything I've seen on skaters. Yikes, I would have hated to run into any of you in my younger years.

    Anyone who is at normal body weight and well toned ribs would show in that position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piel

    Anyone who is at normal body weight and well toned ribs would show in that position.
    LOL, I guess it struck me because I haven't seen my own ribs like that in years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piel
    They only used two lines of lyrics from the song.

    American woman stay away from me
    American woman mama let me be

    The rest was all music. I think their intent was to introduce themselves as born in the U.S.A. and an American woman. ...
    I wonder if Tanith was introducing herself as an "American woman" or if the "American woman" they were referring to was Mama Mitchell. Seriously, though, if I recall this correctly, Tara Lipinski skated to this song, so maybe they thought it was OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piel
    Anyone who is at normal body weight and well toned ribs would show in that position.
    This is very true. You can be at a fairly average weight and still have your ribs show when you arch you back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LADskater
    The song is actually putting down the US - it's an anti-war song. If she is trying to be patriotic, she is skating to the wrong tune.
    Maybe she is exercising her unalienable right as an American citizen to protest government policy.

    Like a couple of seasons ago when Michael Weiss skated to the anti-war song, When Johnny Comes Marching Home.

    When Johnny comes marching home again, hurrah! hurrah!
    We'll give him a hearty welcome then, hurrah! hurrah!
    The men will cheer and the boys will shout,
    The ladies, they will all turn out,
    And we'll all be gay when
    Johnny comes marching home.


    **GASP**

    Oh, where are your legs that used to run? hurrah! hurrah!
    Where are your legs that used to run? hurrah! hurrah!
    Where are your legs that used to run
    When first you went to carry a gun --
    Indeed your dancin' days are done,
    Oh Johnny, I hardly knew ya.

    And where are your eyes that were so mild? hurrah! hurrah!
    Where are your eyes that were so mild? hurrah! hurrah!
    Where are your eyes that were so mild,
    When first my young heart you beguiled?
    Oh, why did you run from me and the child?
    Oh Johnny, I hardly knew ya.

    Oh, you haven't an arm and you haven't a leg, hurrah! hurrah!
    You haven't an arm and you haven't a leg, harrah! hurrah!
    You haven't an arm and you haven't a leg,
    You're a limbless, featureless, chickenless egg,
    And you'll have to be put with a bowl to beg.
    Oh Johnny, I hardly knew ya'.

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