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    Quote Originally Posted by mhu714
    So lay into me Mathman, I can take it
    Phooey on doubters and nay-sayers! Look how pretty she is!

    http://www.skokieparkdistrict.org/im.../sashaWeb1.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman
    Phooey on doubters and nay-sayers! Look how pretty she is!

    http://www.skokieparkdistrict.org/im.../sashaWeb1.jpg
    I don't think she's so pretty. Quite average IMHO.

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    Last edited by Mathman; 01-28-2006 at 12:23 PM.

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    Those aren't even close to being the best pics of her, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Dog
    Those aren't even close to being the best pics of her, IMO.
    OK, I'll try again.

    http://home.snafu.de/eberl/archiv/ph...99_fd_g_te.jpg

    http://home.snafu.de/eberl/archiv/ph...99_fd_b_te.jpg

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    The second one's pretty good, but the first one, with that lock of hair in her face, makes her look like Shelley Duvall wearing nerd glasses......

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    No offense, but Jamie Silverstein isn't exactly my idea of beautiful, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonnyCoop
    The second one's pretty good, but the first one, with that lock of hair in her face, makes her look like Shelley Duvall wearing nerd glasses......
    Here's Jamie and Ryan practicing their new exhibition number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dancindiva03
    No offense, but Jamie Silverstein isn't exactly my idea of beautiful, either.
    You're tough. I see I have to pull out the big guns:

    http://www.japanskates.com/Skater%20...%20pic%203.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman
    You're tough. I see I have to pull out the big guns:

    http://www.japanskates.com/Skater%20...%20pic%203.jpg

    (Yukina Ota)
    That won't even do it. And if that's "big guns", I've got the Uzi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Dog
    That won't even do it. And if that's "big guns", I've got the Uzi.
    If you've got Tanith in your arsenal, that's no fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman
    You're tough. I see I have to pull out the big guns:

    http://www.japanskates.com/Skater%20...%20pic%203.jpg

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    Hey MM, nice picture. Does she have a problem with her leg or is it the angle at which the picure was taken.
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    Re the author's implication and a poster on page 1 saying (I paraphrase) that if Sasha did one of her elements right, she felt that was good enough.

    Those comments are just precursors to comments Sasha made in an interview with Nancy Kerrigan in 2003, IIRC, on the Lifetime cable channel when it was covering figure skating. Because it was on TV, I can't give a reference for it, so I hope others saw it so people don't think I'm making this up.

    Nancy noted to Sasha about her consistency problems, specifically that she had not skated a clean short and a clean long in one competition. Nancy went on to say that it wasn't until she started doing double run-throughs of her programs that she developed the endurance to skate a clear short and a clean long, which she essentially did at the '94 Olympics with the exception of doubling an intended triple flip.

    Sasha replied that she had done double run-throughs with Mr. Nicks and she still had problems with consistency. I think, not sure, Sasha ended up by saying she and Mr. Nicks were still trying to find a solution to that problem.

    I think had Sasha stayed longer with Robin Wagner as her coach, say a year (yes, I'm recommending the most annoying coach in skating--just kidding ) she may have made significant strides towards her problem of "messing up" a jump somewhere around the middle or afterwards in her LPs. I say this because I saw a noticieable improvement in Sasha's jump technique after just a month with RW. Sasha was both taking off and lancing her jumps with a power and a steadiness I'd never seen before in her jumps. And while it's true she fell in her LP at Nationals that year, Wagner had made changes to Tarasova's "Swan Lake" and virtually changed the whole thing by Worlds, which I think were bad decisions on RW's part.

    The improvement in Sasha's jump technique was, IMO, just one facet of the problem, but I do think that as time went on and Sasha learned other things about her skating, it would have paid off. Sasha's edging also improved with RW, IMO, which, again, better edging is not the answer to her problem but I think it's a piece of the puzzle. Besides, even if better edging didn't help her consistency, better edging would help a lot of other things, such as edging.

    I'm glad Sasha went back to Mr. Nicks. A skater who is unhappy with her coach isn't going to do well over time. But I do wish there had been a way for Sasha to keep RW as her "jump coach"--perhaps swing by New Jersey whenever she has an event on the east coast or her flight takes her through New York or New Jersey on the way home from, for example, TEB. I know, I'm dreaming. I have the feeling RW is an all or nothing coach.

    Plus I do think concentration is a very significant issue with Sasha and her jumps, but I don't think it's the only issue.. My point is, I don't think it's any one thing. I think it's a combination of factors, a puzzle if you will, and such problems are always the most difficult ones to deal with in training an athlete. There's identifying the specific problem elements, working on each one individually, and then working on them as a whole. I can see why John Nicks would increase the intensity of Sasha's training. Perhaps he's trying to get to the root of her main problems.

    When people get furious with Sasha I always think of Shizuka Arakawa. People know her story so I won't repreat it. Imagine the frustration for athletes such as Shizza and Sasha? I've lost count of how many years it took Shizza to put it all together, ie, winning '04 Worlds, and even then she couldn't hang onto it--at leave not through '05. Some skaters, like Michelle, Tara, Irina, and Witt, come bursting onto the scene at 15 or 16 as if shot out of a cannon. For others, it's a marathon. Skating fans tend to have little or no patience with "marathon" skaters. For all the enjoyment I've gotten out of watching Sasha skate, I do hope she achieves her goals. If not an OGM, then at least putting clean SPs and LPs back-to-back at the big events like Nationals and Worlds. We can only wait and see, but I hope she does it.

    And I hope she sticks with David Wilson as her choreographer and goes with bolder music choices!

    Rgirl

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman
    If you've got Tanith in your arsenal, that's no fair.
    MM- I sure do...and I'm unleashing it. Prepare to be blown away!









    P.S. I would have posted three more, but apparently I can only post 15 images...(out of 18)
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    Aaagggh! You got me.

    But now, can you edit your post to put some of these pictures under each other instead of all on the same line? This thread is now all stretched out in homage to the lovely Tanith. I can hardly get it centered enough to read Rgirl's thoughtful and insightful analysis.

    MM

    I should post the picture I have with myself and Tanith and Ben, LOL.

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