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    Actually, one of the big faults in people is judging. I cannot judge whether you are a Christian or whatever since I am not God. That is one place where I evidently fail. I say that because if you have a temper or get angry, you are judging someone, something or yourself. It is really hard to not judge. We all do it. My worst is judging myself. So, all that are getting angry in some way are judging.

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    Naomi Nari Nam used to always sign her name with something like "Jesus loves you" and/or "In Christ" back in '99 and '00 when she would update her online diary. Susan Ng also would sign her name that way on her online diary. She spoke a little aout her faith. I remember a story about Michael Weiss where Evelyn Kramer thought he was Jewish and he replied that he was Lutheran (or could have been Presbyterian I can't remember); one of my favorite programs by Michael is his "Lord's Prayer", the costume, the choreo, and the emotion are wonderful. Yoshie Onda does the sign of the cross before skating. Tanith Belbin's grandfather who recently passed away, was a reverand (Tanith also wears a gorgeous cross, it's just like one my mom owns). Oksana Baiul has mentioned her faith (she once said that she's not perfect, she's not Jesus) and Katia spoke about how imporatant her faith is to her in "My Sergei" and "Letter to Daria". When Scott was on the Today show to discuss his recovery from the brain tumor he mentioned that his "church family" was really praying for him and seemed to credit that for getting through the biopsy and it not being cancer. Many skaters, particulary those from the former Soviet Union wear crosses and crucifixes, too. And of course the skaters like Paul and Janet that have already been mentioned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BridgetJ
    I remember a story about Michael Weiss where Evelyn Kramer thought he was Jewish and he replied that he was Lutheran (or could have been Presbyterian I can't remember)
    Methodist. I only remember because I was brought up in that church.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BridgetJ
    . I remember a story about Michael Weiss where Evelyn Kramer thought he was Jewish and he replied that he was Lutheran (or could have been Presbyterian I can't remember);
    I read that Michael was Methodist in Christine Brennan's Inside Edge (check out the top of page 248). I am Jewish, and I was kind of surprised to learn that Michael wasn't Jewish. I know many Jewish people with the last name of Weiss (of course you can't always go by people's last names & assume anything). Hey, I assumed that Stephanie Rosenthal was Jewish, but during her free skate, it looked like she was wearing a cross, so I guess she's not.

    I have always assumed that all Catholics are Christians.

    Whatever the case, religion is a personal matter. I enjoy and respect all of the skaters for their talent and what they bring to the sport independently of their religious beliefs.
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    It seems to me that Christ, or Buddha or Mohammed for that matter, would simply pray for mankind to excel, not some narrow segment of it.

    But that's just me....more blood has been shed by this type of mental segregation/delineation than any other single reason in the entire history of the world. Sad, really.

    Religion, in my opinion, should be an intensely personal and private dialogue between one and their god(s). The world would be a better place for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iluvtodd
    I read that Michael was Methodist in Christine Brennan's Inside Edge (check out the top of page 248). I am Jewish, and I was kind of surprised to learn that Michael wasn't Jewish. I know many Jewish people with the last name of Weiss (of course you can't always go by people's last names & assume anything). Hey, I assumed that Stephanie Rosenthal was Jewish, but during her free skate, it looked like she was wearing a cross, so I guess she's not.
    And I thought she must be Mormon because she lives in Utah.... .

    FWIW, Inside Edge is where I learned of Mike's Methodism, also.

    ETA: Great post, Aloft!
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    I think we sort of got into a conversation about this in the thread where someone's co-workers were demeaning Christians.

    One of my friends is Christian and born Catholic. She distinguishes as follows. Christians seek to learn the teachings of Jesus Christ - it's not just the belief, but the active study of his teachings. Some Christians do not consider Catholics to be Christians because some Catholics base their devoutness upon the rituals (ie. attending mass, praying, rosaries, etc), but do not practice the teachings of Christ in their day-to-day lives (i.e forgiveness, faithfulness, truthfulness). While Christians do espouse forgiveness of these 'sins', they do not think the simply going to confession means absolution - that comes from changing one's behavior which is proof of accepting Christ's teachings.

    Some Catholics believe that going to mass and donating to the church makes them a good Christian. Meanwhile, they might be unfaithful to their significant others, etc. I think that people who call themselves Christians want to distinguish themselves from these types of Catholics.

    Personally, I do believe that most Catholics and Protestants can call themselves Christians, but there are some who really shouldn't.

    As for Buddism and Confucianism, they are philosophies of life - not religions. If there's anything that Chinese people revere, it is their ancestors. Chinese culture traditionally respects the elders of the community. There is celebration of birth as continuation of the family and then celebration of age. Traditional Chinese families do not make big occasions of childhood birthdays, etc. They prefer to honor the accomplishments of the elders - not the folly of youth.

    Of course, being a child of Chinese immigrants who were in their late teens when they emigrated, I did have the occasional birthday party. However, I also dutifully go to the cemetary 2x a year to maintain the gravesites of the deceased and bring food and money to provide for them in their afterlives.

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    Heyang-Thank you for your respectful post. I appreciate it alot.

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    As a side note, I'd just like to mention that this is a pretty long conversation, considering it was initiated by someone who we'll probably never hear from again. SwizzleTwizzle's profile indicates that he/she is 17 years old, and my guess is that he/she probably goes to some parochial high school named after Jimmy Swaggart in the south.

    I'll wager anything that at this very moment, SwizzleTwizzle is making the rounds of all the different winter sports forums asking people who he should root for in the olympics. In that culture, it's drilled into your head at a very young age, that the only real Christians are the ones who are constantly yacking about their Christianity. They believe that the only way to prove that you've got Jesus in your heart, is by persistantly amplifying him through your larynx.

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    Love you, too, Idleracer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heyang

    One of my friends is Christian and born Catholic. She distinguishes as follows. Christians seek to learn the teachings of Jesus Christ - it's not just the belief, but the active study of his teachings. Some Christians do not consider Catholics to be Christians because some Catholics base their devoutness upon the rituals (ie. attending mass, praying, rosaries, etc), but do not practice the teachings of Christ in their day-to-day lives (i.e forgiveness, faithfulness, truthfulness). While Christians do espouse forgiveness of these 'sins', they do not think the simply going to confession means absolution - that comes from changing one's behavior which is proof of accepting Christ's teachings.

    Some Catholics believe that going to mass and donating to the church makes them a good Christian. Meanwhile, they might be unfaithful to their significant others, etc. I think that people who call themselves Christians want to distinguish themselves from these types of Catholics.

    Personally, I do believe that most Catholics and Protestants can call themselves Christians, but there are some who really shouldn't.
    Please, like some of those who call themselves "Christians" haven't done some of the same things? I seem to remember a couple of "Christian" TV preachers being caught in the act of adultery. I think "people who call themselves Christians might also want to distinguish themselves from these types of 'Christians'"!!!!

    Idleracer -

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misplaced Gymnast
    Please, like some of those who call themselves "Christians" haven't done some of the same things? I seem to remember a couple of "Christian" TV preachers being caught in the act of adultery. I think "people who call themselves Christians might also want to distinguish themselves from these types of 'Christians'"!!!!

    Idleracer -

    Is it my fault, as a Christian, that these 2 pastors did what they did? I know that there are some great tv pastors i.e. T.D. Jakes and Joel Osteen, and there are some that are just out for greed. The ones out for greed are just posers, and have nothing to do with what a real Christian is supposed to be.
    I'm sorry you feel such anger.

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    I told me to keep out of this but me didn't. I can't speak for others but what we believe is you have to believe in Jesus Christ and that he died for our sins. No one is perfect. I can't be bothered by what others do or think as that is not my business. We believe in trying to live a good Christian life and helping
    with good works. Good works do not get you to heaven. We try not to sin but that is impossible. Everyone is a sinner. No one sin is greater than another. That is what is hard to believe. Even judging is a sin. I suppose I should get my bible out and see what it says but I am overwhelmed with what is going on with my life right now and just can't stay up all night. I rarely get even six hours of sleep as it is.

    I will have to say that it just breaks my heart when people say anything against Christians. Or put down Christianity.

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    Another thing that I feel is wrong. You will find some in all parts of life that give something a bad name. I don't feel that anyone should think that if one preacher does something wrong that all Christians do it. There are going to be some things bad in all walks of life and you just can't say because one Christian is a crook that they all are. I don't understand that attitude at all. But it sure doesn't help the rest of us that are trying to do their best. I guess Granny needs to tie up her fingers.

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    Heyang, I don't see how you or your friend can set yourselves up as arbiters of who is a true Christian (me) and who isn't (the other guys). A Christian is a person who believes that Jesus is the Son of God. This believe is honored by different people in different ways.

    Anti-Catholic bigotry is not very "Christian," to me.

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