Correcting judges errors

Here are the ISU rules about correcting errors in judges scores and in the identification of elements by the technical specialists. Basically, it says that judges' errors cannot be corrected (or even protested) except for mathematical mistakes, but decisions of the tech specialists can be review after the event.

"In Figure Skating, no protests against evaluation by judges of skaters' performances are permitted. For Figure Skating and Speed Skating, protests against results are permitted only in the case of incorrect mathematical calculation.

"In line with the ISU Constitution, Article 17, paragraph 17. 1. m) and n) the ISU Council decided to clarify that the above-mentioned provision also applies to the evaluation by the Technical Panel (Technical Controller, Technical Specialists, Data Operator) of skaters’ performances. A wrong identification of an element or of a level of difficulty, although it results in a lower or higher score, is a human error and not an incorrect mathematical calculation.

"However, if the Referee learns,

a) prior to the beginning of the award ceremony, that such a human error
occurred, the Referee may correct the error provided that in Figure Skating the
Technical Controller, both Technical Specialists and the Data Operator
respectively in Speed Skating the Assistant Referee(s) all agree that there was an error (or_)

b) within 24 hours after the award ceremony that an incorrect mathematical
calculation occurred,

the Referee may correct the calculation even without a protest provided that in Figure Skating the Technical Controller, both Technical Specialists and the Data Operator respectively in Speed Skating the Assistant Referee(s) all agree that there was such an incorrect calculation. If such correction requires corrections of the final placements of the skaters, the corresponding medals and/or awards shall be changed accordingly."

Well

Thats an academy award winning CYA way to keep the system as is. They covered all bases so the judges arnt known and callers cant be questioned. Now that makes for honest scoring. Speedy sure knows how to keep things as they are and pretend they changed.

For example, Hinzmann/Parchem's move up to 3rd place in the revised official results of the SP at Four Continents is explained in italics at the top of this USFS article (it was an input error):
http://www.usfigureskating.org/event_story.asp?id=32783

Sylvia said:

For example, Hinzmann/Parchem's move up to 3rd place in the revised official results of the SP at Four Continents is explained in italics at the top of this USFS article (it was an input error):
http://www.usfigureskating.org/event_story.asp?id=32783

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Was that a mechanical error or a human (tech asst) error? In any case it had to be rectified by a protest. If there was no protest or a late protest, what then?

Joe

I think

Joesitz, I think the caller didnt call a jump correct. Good point if it wasnt protested the rightfull medalist would have been off the Podium. I guess the skaters team has to check the scores instead of the ones who should check for accuracy . So much for no judge or caller etc. can make a mistake.

The way it is worded on Sylvia's link it looks like the caller called the element (triple loop) correctly, but the data operator hit the "triple toe loop" button in error. It doesn't say who spotted the error. It is the responibility of the referee to oversee and adjudicate such matters.

Interesting that this contest was so close (at least the short program was) that the difference (4.5 instead of 5.0) could have determined who made the podium and who didn't.

Won't it be fun if this happens at the Olympics?

Judging errors

It'a allready happened at the Olympics...in Athens!!! Remember the whole Paul Hamm controversy in Gymnasics?

The worst thing will be to see a Takahashi-Oda type situation (ref:Japanese nationals) at the Olympics. I would hate to see any athlete have to give up a medal for a lesser one. I hope there are no mistakes.

Vash

The difference between 6.0 and CoP is transparency. If any judge counted a jump as a 3T instead of a 3Lo, it was all in his/her head, along with under-rotations, the Zayak rule, the relative weight of the elements, etc. If a judge put in a score of 5.2 instead of 5.5 (keypad error), it might go unnoticed, especially if the ordinals weren't off by much. Errors weren't corrected. CoP at least makes it possible to correct some of them.