~ Figure Skating Is My Passion ~
Originally Posted by SkateFan4Life
I think you carry your angst towards Sandra Bezic from the Salt Lake City Olympics fiasco. At some point you have to let it go!!! The past is the past. I think Sandra took some time off from the figure skating world until the dust settled over that last skating drama. I am sure she said things at the time in the heat of the moment that she may have realized later best left unsaid. She seemed a little stiff and not quite comfortable with her other commentators. On the other hand, Tracy Wilson seemed quite at home at NBC.
I am quite happy with Barb Underhill and Paul Martini and Mark Lee (a CBC award winning journalist) reporting on the CBC. They are doing a great job. Maybe you need to tune into the CBC - if you are able.
Originally Posted by orchid
I don't get what you are saying.
I thought Tracy Wilson is an excellent figure skating commentator. NBC has used her occasionally to explain the new COP scoring system. She was concise, precise, and a pleasure to watch. Too bad she wasn't hired for the regular broadcasting duties. Oh, well.
Originally Posted by Ladskater
We do not have access to CBC, but I'm sure that Barbara Underhill and Paul Martini are very good commentators; I recall hearing them commentate occasionally on CBS (I think), and they did a good job.
Button makes skating better!
I think Dick Button has continued to improve figure skating long after he left the ice. He picks an element that many skaters are performing subpar and makes an issue of it. The interesting thing is that over the next few years, those elements seem to improve. Remember when he was critical of how many of the ladies were not turning out their knees on layback spins? Not long after that, layback positions began to improve. I'm betting in the next few years we will see fewer "tush pushes" in death spirals and less frantic arm movements during men's programs, IMHO.
After watching and recording all of last night's NBC coverage of the men's long program, with Tom Hammond, Sandra Bezic, Scott Hamilton, and Dick Button in the broadcast booth, I have to say that I was surprised and pleased at how well they all worked together. I thought this quartet has meshed very well, and they worked harmoniously.
And, after all of the criticism I've written about Sandra Bezic, her work with the men's long program has gone a long way to change my opinion of her ability to commentate figure skating. She was articulate, intelligent, precise, and - nice. I thought she did a fine job, and I am happy to say so.
Their comments concerning Plushenko's long program pretty much mirrored my impression, in that Plushenko did numerous powerful jumps, but there wasn't much between those jumps. As Dick Button said, "Evgeny does a quad, then waves his hands around, then skates to the end of the rink, does a triple axel, and waves his hand around again." So much for choreography. They all felt that what Evgeny skated was a lot of jumps, but it wasn't a "program".
Sandra had some positive words to say about many of the skaters, and when she did criticize a skater, she did so kindly. In speaking about one of the men (sorry, but I can't remember which one - it's on tape) she spoke of her experience in choreographing Brian Boitano's 1988 Olympic programs. She said (to paraphrase), "I watched Brian and Linda Leaver (his coach) work together, and it was obvious that they never left anything to chance. They took care of everything, and Brian was trained to skate a perfect program."
I can't take Bezic. I thought she was rather harsh on the Chinese pairs. she acted at times as if they were barbaric.
Dick is the man.
I don't know how much I like any of them anymore really. Scott Hamilton is just to biased at times and he's total freakout at the pairs in SLC was way way out of bounds for a commentator, plus I really don't think he is very schooled in the CoP system.
Bezic is occassionaly nice to listen to simply because she will you what she really thinks about a program although sometimes she can go on and on and really beat the bush to death and then bury it. Also, I'm not sure how schooled she is in the new system as well.
Dick Button has been great to listen to throughout the years but his "isms" are getting used over and over again thus ruining his commentary but he does seem the most balanced so I'd probably keep him in the booth although I doubt he knows much of the details about the new system.
Tom Hammond being in the booth is like putting Dick Enberg in the booth during a tennis tournament. Boring boring and people I'm sick of listening to.
Terry Gannon would have been great to hear because he does less interrupting than when he first started and is actually refreshing to listen to even though he'd probably have no input on how the system actually works.
Susie Wynne is my favorite commentator because she provides truly insightful commentary and is "fair and balanced" and I think actually keeps up with the new system and how it works imo.
Tracy Wilson needs to quit commentating when I hear her trying to called the Program component scores the marks formely known as the "artistic impression" marks. There has never been a real AI mark and that is such a stickler with me because they change to it presentation and ppl still referred to it in that ambiguous term and now Wilson is referring to the PCS as AI at these games. What a lunkhead.
Peggy Fleming is also nice to listen to but really not much insightful or interesting commentary and I doubt she is aware of the details of the new system.
My booth would be:
Bezic, Button, Gannon, Wynne
Oh and heck heck no to Paul wylie and that male pairs skater (forget his name atm)
Arm Chair Skate Fan
I don't mind each one individually, but I don't understand why Hammond is there...........there's too many, it's a wonder they don't trip over each other, vocally speaking. If I had my druthers, I'd stick with Scott and Sandra.......42
Has Bob Costas had botox treatment to his forehead?
I guess I don't remember what Sandra Bezic said in Salt Lake that has everyone fired up. Refresh my memory??
I totally agree with you.
Originally Posted by dutchherder
Excellent observation MM. I noticed this too.
Originally Posted by Mathman
Why do many of you have so much problem with the skating commentators? If you are skating-literate, just filter off their voices. Who cares what they say, or how, when or if and not?
But without commentators, we wouldn't hear Sandra Bezic say choreography is trite or that a program is a choreographical cop-out, or Dick talking about powder puff dresses and early 20th century dancers.
Tom Hammond is there for 'Everyman'. His annecdotal comments are important for the casual fan to keep abreast of the contestants past accomplishments and their lows and highs over the year. Important for the ratings.
Terry Gannon, in a similar job, has had more opportunity to learn the technical aspects of the Sport. I daresay he knows the difference between a flip and a lutz, and a flutz when he sees it; camel and a sitspin; a combo of jumps or spins. Understandable because he not only had more practice in the fs field but because, I believe he has gotten to enjoy it and therefore learned a lot.
Hammond, I don't know much about him, but it's his job now and I do not find him intrusive.
As for Sandra, I think the director told her to tone it down and her comments are now more bearable than before.
He is in his mid-50s and hasn't aged at all. I think he will be the Dick Clark of anchoring the Olympics.
Originally Posted by Mathman