Plushenko's ridiculous PCS

[shine]

And what do you know, we are in for another four more years of this ridiculousness.

[Panther2000]

I have to agree with you guys. Those scores werer so retareded it wasn't funny.

& the samething is still happening. They can reward a skater with marks so high that no one will ever catch them. It is the samething as Block juding. Though, they did not need to do that. Because. Without Alexei there really isn't any men's skating. It is a 1 man show.

That Program Please give me a break. Jump After Jump after jump & Mr. happy Hands waving around.

Like it was stated in this thread. After Alexei was forced into retirement Mish & Plush have gotten really lazy. There is no one close to him now. The Competition was much better in 2002. At least it was a 2 man show, with a Bronze medal up for grabs. & with Alexei skating last knowing that he had to skate not only clean but PERFECT. This competition was just plan drab & dull. Like going through the motions.

It is no question that he should have won. But, those scores were just [color=red]*[/color][color=red]*[/color][color=red]*[/color][color=red]*[/color][color=red]*[/color][color=red]*[/color][color=red]*[/color][color=red]*[/color].

I will miss you guys this weekend. I just moved & my computer is out until the Cable guy comes But, I second everyone motion in this thread.

[slutskayafan21]

Lysacek, Sandhu, and to a lesser extent Joubert were the ones overscored, not really Plushenko. Plushenko's PCS and spin scores are high sometimes but how was he that overscored. If Lambiel's error-strewn performances were the 2nd best, if Buttle's flawed free skate with a fall on his only quad attempt was the 2nd best free skate, and if Weir quadless short program was the 2nd best short program, then Plushenko's huge margins over the field are understandable.

[FreeKatie]

Lysacek, Sandhu, and to a lesser extent Joubert were the ones overscored, not really Plushenko. Plushenko's PCS and spin scores are high sometimes but how was he that overscored. If Lambiel's error-strewn performances were the 2nd best, if Buttle's flawed free skate with a fall on his only quad attempt was the 2nd best free skate, and if Weir quadless short program was the 2nd best short program, then Plushenko's huge margins over the field are understandable.

Sandhu and Joubert should have been at the bottom of the pack - the fact that Joubert made it in the top 10 is completely astounding. Where did Sandhu end up? He must have been near last place, or are all the other men they didn't show us really THAT bad?

[slutskayafan21]

Sandhu and Joubert should have been at the bottom of the pack - the fact that Joubert made it in the top 10 is completely astounding. Where did Sandhu end up? He must have been near last place, or are all the other men they didn't show us really THAT bad?

I think he was 11th, if you can believe he was that high. Given the judging of the mens event that probably shouldnt be a surprise though. My little sister does about the same number of clean singles he did last night.

[Dee4707]

I don't understand Plushenko's absurdly high PCS scores either...the performance was dull, hardly a transition, zero musicality and choreography...he has skated this problem better in the past but somehow his score are higher here with this lackluster skate? Ridiculous. He WAS the clear winner, I just find fault with his high scores.
eliza88

Eliza88, I guess this is what I don't understand about his performance last night. He was the winner no questions, no doubt about it being that way. Why did he skate the way he did, it just befuddles me. I see no reason for it. The least he could have done was entertain us. Hard to believe but I think that was by far for me one of his worst skates.

Dee

[Linny]

The problem isn't the system, never was. The problem is the judges. Always was.

Linny

[FreeKatie]

The problem isn't the system, never was. The problem is the judges. Always was.

Linny

and we have a winner....

[enlight78]

So how do one fix the problem with the judges? Please shower me with your ideas.

[FreeKatie]

So how do one fix the problem with the judges? Please shower me with your ideas.

torture?

[mzheng]

None of the others skaters had more pressure than Evgeny. He did enough to win,but it was clear that he was not happy with his performance. Yags was also cautious in Salt Lake(Plushy skated a better lp than Yags) but his fans don't care about that cause he won gold right?

Yagudin at least shown his emotion at SLC when he weas skating. Where is Plushen's 'flashy' 'pizaz' he usually to carry? None, zlich.

He deserved his win. But he was rediculously over marked in at least 3 PCS scores (Transitions, interpretation, choreography). Totally blah on interpretation and choreography in SP. And totally blah on transitions in LP.

ETA. My daughter's comments on Plushen's SP performance

He skates like he has a seperate ear phone plugged in his ear with a disco music on. Flapping his arms according to what from ear phone instead of the one in arena.

She said his agitated arm flailing deserved a level 12. Cause she tried imitating his flailing arms. Then commented:

OMG, it's awful difficult to flailing your arms 2 and half min. He definitely deserves the Gold.

[mzheng]

I think he should have won, no question but it shows that the judges are not judging correctly.

In the paper there was a quote saying that he skated very very slowly [this is hard to see on TV] and his performance was forgetable unlike Vickor p, Urmanov, Kulik and Yags.

He has great footwork but isn't it just about the same pattern for years now and in no way did it go to the music. In fact I thought the entire program could have been skated to any music for all the connection it had with the music he was using.

The gold medal performance seemed to leave him emotionless and the audience too. :frown2:

I agree with you absolutely about the performance compare to former OGM.

About the speed, you can see even on TV (use background ad as reference) he started LP very very slow and cautious, it was after 3 'crossover then jumps' that he picked up a little speed....but I give him props for that, even with so slow speed going into the jump, he was still able to musel out his jumps. He IS an incredible jumper no question.

[Panther2000]

The problem isn't the system, never was. The problem is the judges. Always was.

Linny

True True True.



Well eveyone have a great weekend. I will see you back on Tues.

[mylastduchess]

Maybe like the technical marks, the PCS should be seperated into levels to, a trained choreaographer will determine weather the choreo is level 1 or lets say level six (balanced program, etc.) same thing with Transition, and they should add musicality to the PCS as well!

[sk8fanconvert]

So how do one fix the problem with the judges? Please shower me with your ideas.

The ISU (I know, I know!) should hire and train professional judges and make their scores public.

edited to add: Prerequisite for judging: having been a competitive figure skater (say at an international event or from a country's national championships).