Mafke, what a great post. I agree with you about every skater Especially Matt Savoie.
Mafke, what a great post. I agree with you about every skater Especially Matt Savoie.
I think he only planned on rotating it to get the 5 points (at least that was what NBC commentators said he was planning to do). He won Bronze over Evan by about 7 points, so it was a good move by Buttle and shows just one of the many flaws of the COPOriginally Posted by Mafke
Since I agree with almost everything Mafke and Antman said, I should probably quit while I'm ahead. But where there's a mouth, I feel compelled to put a foot in it, especially when it's mine.
Didn't see Klimkin on NBC's stellar coverage. I heard more of Sandra Bezic than I saw of any of the skating. But was SO glad to hear from Mafke that IK did pretty well.
Van der Perrin - The first time I've really liked Kevin. He's always seemed like a Ken doll skater to me before. Nothing bad but nothing to get interested in either. But in the LP, I was thinking, "Wow. I actually like this!" My how the COP affects some people.
Lysacek - The first time I've like Evan at all. He's given "strong" performances of "Carmen" before, but they were, to me, all intense looks, strong arm movements, and hail Mary landed jumps. In the LP, I felt he had true core strength and used it to the max. For me, Lysaceck became the real deal for me in the Torino men's LP.
Savoie - Mafke said, "Best match of choreography and performance all night. Personal favorite performance all night. Sloppy in places. Not the greatest extension in moves that cry out for it, not the greatest centering, but inventive and wonderful and please don't retire. Please. Don't. We need stuff like this" and I can't add a better word to it than to repeat it, except to say, "This guy, like buttah."
Plushenko - As I quote Mafke again, "Has there ever been a more front-loaded choreography free program?" NO! This is the ickiest stuff the COP does to a skater's program, or should I say that a skater does with the COP? How sad, too, because Plushenko's got everything going for him, even Edwin Martone. Imagine how pathetic that thing would have been to the regular "Godfather" soundtrack? But then I saw Plush's choreographer and I know I'm awful to judge on looks, but maybe the guy would choreograph better if he shaved his eyebrows and could see what things looked like. Plush can really move and if he worked with and listened to a real choreographer, what a remarkable style he would have! But no. For once Bezic was right. Jumps, arms, jumps, arms for the first two minutes, then FW and spins for the last two minutes. But like Uncle Dick said, he made the judges believe it. Authority is something Plushenko has mastered. To make a word play on Mafke's, "I can't think of another gold contender who didn't win and then came back to win," I'll say, "I can't think of another gold contender who didn't win and won anyway."
Lambiel - How I love Zee Leetle Preence, but he was a mess, right down to the multicolored zebra shirt. Still, nobody can move like that kid. A male Twyla Tharp on skates and most people watching don't even know what he is, they're just mesmerized, as they should be. But even all his spins were slow except for his last one. I think it's great that Lambiel won silver placing 3rd in the short and 4th in the long. To me that's the beauty of the COP. If you get enough lame skaters close together near the top, the least lame one comes out best, which is what happened to Lambiel. I say it couldn't have happened to a better skater. Besides, we needed somebody who just bawled during the medal ceremony. Weir gave it away in the long and Lysaceck in the short. Why not have Lambiel get the silver off Johnny's headlessness and Even's flu (I know, tough break for Evan).
Weir - Mafke, I'm referring to you this whole post. But I love that you said about Johnny and the quad, "But at worlds you have to try the quad in the LP or shut up about it, choice is up to you." Boy, how true! He was whipping off beauties in practice. He went back to his "deer in the headlights" mode and I thought we'd never see that again. I say more in the thread "Weir missed the bus!" It's mostly about how much more demanding the COP has gotten even since last year, which is why I think "Otonal" would have left Johnny empty handed even with a good performance.
Buttle - Mafke, you didn't get Buttle and I was thrilled with him. But I'm a choreography gal more than a jump one. Besides, I think bronze is the right place for better dancer/skater than skater/dancer. I can't think of anybody else who I would have been happy with in 3rd. I just think Buttle and Wilson are doing the things with the COP that were meant to be done with it. Plus, and I even hate to say this, he told a story. We may care more about fully rotated jumps, but the people in the arena and around the world love a story--told with good to great skating, natch. I loved Buttle in the LP. He was the only one besides Evan who, ro me, really just out and out skated. I have tremendous admiration for Plush and he works the system like hand in glove. But watching his LP while Martone made fire on the fiddle made my head hurt. The Little Prince looked like he was skating on little lambs legs. Only Buttle looked like the right man doing the right job (I wish I could tell you what I almost wrote by mistake ) and for that, the bronze was the perfect reward.
I may prefer the skating of others (Weir, Savoie, Klimkin) when they're at their best, but I loved this podium: One prodigy crazy man (Plush); one gifted sweet little boy (Lambiel); and one dancer/skater/storyteller (Buttle). So I like variety packs.
Anyway, ITA with Mafke and Ant about the rest. Call them, "Silence of the Lame." Whoops, almost wrote something naughty again. Bad Rgirl! Bad!
I think most of agree with most of all that you are saying
Please become a skating judge so someone with some sense
will put some sense back into what is becoming a senseless
You are spot on in your analysis of the programs.
And i totally agree with your WEIR comments.
Weir's program was nowhere near meltdown. It was distracted.
But his jumps are oh so perfectly landed and his basic skating
I think there should be a Matt Savoie stay in skating campaign.
Everyone should send him emails and letters, bouquets even,
for him to remain competitive.
I was very surprised with how the men's competition went. Coming into the Olympics, with so many great men competing, I thought we were going to see amazing skating in both the short and long programs. I thought we'd see every guy come out and do his personal best--because everyone knew that's what it would take to beat Plushenko. I was expecting lots of great quads, great footwork, great skating.
Instead it was a mess. Plushenko was the only one who even managed to skate two clean programs. Everyone else seemed to fall apart in either the short or the long (or both!). I was just very surprised. I had really expected a lot more.
Plushenko--A well-deserved gold medal. I was so excited to see him skate so well under the pressure of being the overwhelming favorite. (Such a tough position to be in.) Granted, his long program wasn't nearly as good as his Europeans long program. And I agree the program was very front-loaded. Still, he was clearly the best.
Lambiel--I just wish he had skated better in the long program. At his best, he can be so good. But this program was just uncharacteristically slow and even dull. Very surprising.
Buttle--As another poster said, I appreciate Buttle but do not really enjoy him. There is just something about him that puts me off. I find his 80s hair and costume distracting. It also bothers me that he is so inconsistent technically. None of his jumps seem solid and secure. But nonetheless, his long program was probably the best performance I've seen from him. Great spins and footwork.
Lysacek--A great performance in the long. He really showed some guts out there. A good effort. There is nothing really distinctive about Evan's skating, but I think he's a good competitor.
Weir--I love Johnny and was very disappointed that he didn't skate his best in the long program. The amazing thing is that he is still so incredibly good, even when he doesn't skate his best. I still enjoyed his program greatly, even without the jump content that he failed to include. As someone else said, most other skaters at their best will never be as good as Johnny was in this program. It was a missed opportunity, though, and there is no way around that. I think this performance is going to haunt Johnny a bit, and hopefully in a good way. Hopefully, the painful knowledge that he had a medal in his hands and let it slip away will make him want it all the more the next time. I hope.
Savoie--I'm so proud of him. I've always thought he was a wonderful skater, and it was great to see him do so well at the Olympics. If anything, I thought he probably should have been placed higher.
Takahashi--I really like this skater a lot. I think he just has it all: the speed, the footwork, the jumps, the spins. Again, though, just a subpar performance in this competition, with too many jump mistakes. As with Johnny, I hope he can use this as a learning experience.
Sandhu--What can you even say? He's had disastrous performances before, but this was the worst yet. Such a shame; like Johnny, his talent is incredible, almost off the charts. Very disappointing.
Joubert--Just not a good competition for him. I feel like he needs to rethink his whole approach at this point. He needs to find the kind of program and choreography that will work well with COP; his current choreographic approach isn't helping him.