Sk8n Mama said:We were talking about this on the men's LP thread yesterday. Did anyone figure out why the lutz wasn't counted? I watched NBC last night just to see if they said anything because CBC didn't mention anything, but NBC didn't catch it either.
Correct. The quad toe (downgraded to a triple) wasn't the issue here but it was the attempted triple toe loop (downgraded to double) on the end of the second triple axel that counted as the second triple toe.Kasey said:I think because he had already repeated the axel and the 3 toe....he could not repeat another triple jump in the program and have it count, so the final lutz counted as zero.
Sylvia said:Correct. The quad toe (downgraded to a triple) wasn't the issue here but it was the attempted triple toe loop (downgraded to double) on the end of the second triple axel that counted as the second triple toe.
You can read the detailed protocol of the Men's FS at:
http://www.isufs.org/results/owg2006/OWG06_Men_FS_Scores.pdf
Because it's the planned/intended number of rotations that is counted (otherwise it wouldn't be fair to the skater since they wouldn't know while they're skating the program whether or not their jump was going to be downgraded later). Ironically, Takahashi's extra repeated jump mistake in the FS is the same one that cost Nobunari Oda the gold medal at Japanese Nationals and gave Takahashi the Olympic berth.Engwaciriel said:But if it was downgraded, why did it count as a triple toe?
Wow, that is fate coming back to bite him in the butt!Ironically, Takahashi's extra repeated jump mistake in the FS is the same one that cost Nobunari Oda the gold medal at Japanese Nationals and gave Takahashi the Olympic berth.
And the old 6.0 system didn't let them do whatever they wanted with ordinals? Takashi got to the olympics by the new system working. After he was in 2nd at japanese Nationals they reviewed the scores & awarded him 1st.slutskayafan21 said:It is just an example of the phoniness of the new system. The judges can do whatever they want, and their marks for specific areas can be blurred behind the complexities of the new system. They dont have to justify any of their scoring or how it is arrived at. Takahashi having some of his elements discounted should be explained to the media and fans.
slutskayafan21 said:There might have been some backlash for what happened at Japanese Nationals. That is not fair, what happened at Japanese Nationals was wrong but it is not his fault. He deserved to be judged fairly at the Olympics but was not.
I jut think it was a case of holding up Jeff.
Sk8n Mama said::disagree: I really doubt they're going to mess with the technical components to hold up one skater. Without knowing about the uncounted lutz and the double knock for the quad, Scott Hamilton said before the marks came up, "there's Jeff Buttle nervously awaiting Takahashi's marks. He shouldn't be worried but you just never know." Obviously Scott didn't think the judges were just holding Buttle up. Takahashi put in a quad that he doesn't fully rotate-he took that chance. If the lutz had been counted, he still would have only finished behind Joubert-he wouldn't have even come close to Buttle. Maybe it's Buttle, Joubert, Lysacek, Lambiel all being held up over Daisuke. Maybe it's a whole conspiracy to kill the Japanese skating federation. Yes, I'm being sarcastic. Give me a break. I think Takahashi was marked a little on the low side, I don't think he wuz robbed.