Did we figure out the Takahashi TES yet?
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I don't know the answer to your question, but I think that this is the guy to watch over the next four years. He has the "wow" factor already at age 19! I cannot take my eyes off him when he skates. Lyrical and passionate, just an amazing skater with incredible potential.
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Sk8n Mama said:
Are you talking about the jump after the 3l? I thought that was a 3t. The only L that is listed in the protocols is the 3L in combo with the 3t. I may have to go back and look at that tape again. That wasn't the greatest of camera angels that I saw.
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It is just an example of the phoniness of the new system. The judges can do whatever they want, and their marks for specific areas can be blurred behind the complexities of the new system. They dont have to justify any of their scoring or how it is arrived at. Takahashi having some of his elements discounted should be explained to the media and fans.
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It really seemed like they were robbing Takahashi of a better placement. I'm not saying he should have wound up on the podium for these two programs, but he definitely should have been higher! I was even confused in the short program when his footwork got called as level 3's when they had been called as level 4's (and the only level 4's) all season (as far as I know, and as far as the commentators said), yet Plushy got the level 4 footworks? Hmm... He was really the only skater who had any consistent "wow" factor during his programs. I look forward to watching him skate in the future 
Come 2010, he could be quite the force to reackon with.
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There might have been some backlash for what happened at Japanese Nationals. That is not fair, what happened at Japanese Nationals was wrong but it is not his fault. He deserved to be judged fairly at the Olympics but was not.
Correct. The quad toe (downgraded to a triple) wasn't the issue here but it was the attempted triple toe loop (downgraded to double) on the end of the second triple axel that counted as the second triple toe.Kasey said:
You can read the detailed protocol of the Men's FS at:
http://www.isufs.org/results/owg2006/OWG06_Men_FS_Scores.pdf
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Okay. I'm still trying to figure out CoP sometimes. I don't think they were robbing him of anything. They spent forever getting those marks up and were obviously checking the landing on the quad and figuring out whether or not the lutz had to be taken out. I think the ISU wants this scored as cleanly as possible to gain a little credibility.
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Sylvia said:
But if it was downgraded, why did it count as a triple toe?
Because it's the planned/intended number of rotations that is counted (otherwise it wouldn't be fair to the skater since they wouldn't know while they're skating the program whether or not their jump was going to be downgraded later). Ironically, Takahashi's extra repeated jump mistake in the FS is the same one that cost Nobunari Oda the gold medal at Japanese Nationals and gave Takahashi the Olympic berth.Engwaciriel said:
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:disagree: I really doubt they're going to mess with the technical components to hold up one skater. Without knowing about the uncounted lutz and the double knock for the quad, Scott Hamilton said before the marks came up, "there's Jeff Buttle nervously awaiting Takahashi's marks. He shouldn't be worried but you just never know." Obviously Scott didn't think the judges were just holding Buttle up. Takahashi put in a quad that he doesn't fully rotate-he took that chance. If the lutz had been counted, he still would have only finished behind Joubert-he wouldn't have even come close to Buttle. Maybe it's Buttle, Joubert, Lysacek, Lambiel all being held up over Daisuke. Maybe it's a whole conspiracy to kill the Japanese skating federation. Yes, I'm being sarcastic. Give me a break. I think Takahashi was marked a little on the low side, I don't think he wuz robbed.
Sk8n Mama said:
I agree, his attempted quad was clearly under-rotated (the blade stopped him short and he fell right as it hit the ice; he couldn't even cheat the landing) and the rest of the reasoning behind his low technical scores makes sense. It's just a complicated system and it's hard to be aware enough to change your jumps mid-performance. Buttle had way higher PCS than Takahashi, anyway, and I think he deserved them on that night. Daisuke stumbled noticeably during his footwork and was rather sloppy overall.
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The triple lutz is worth 6 points. I'm not going to speculate as to whether that one would have deserved a positive GOE. It was okay, not spectacular. if you assume that he would have received 6 pts for it, his LP score would have been 137.12 (instead of 131.12). Matt Savoie's LP was 137.52. Daisuke would have finished 6th in the LP. Overall Daisuke would have had 210.89 which would have placed him behind Brian Joubert's 212.89.
So, to reason it was to hold up Buttle doesn't make sense. Even counting the 3 lutz his final score would have been 210.89 to Buttle's 227.59. Almost 17 points difference! That's not even remotely close.
So, to reason it was to hold up Buttle doesn't make sense. Even counting the 3 lutz his final score would have been 210.89 to Buttle's 227.59. Almost 17 points difference! That's not even remotely close.
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