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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle
    but to say Evan didn't deserve his marks is disgusting...
    Actually the fact that a skating fan would actually have the gall to say something like that is the thing that is truly disgusting.

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    Carly Patterson's gold in Athens was hardly "questionable" as I recall Svetlana Khorkina made several small mistakes and had some steps and shaky landings. Paul Hamm's gold is definitely questionable, but Carly had a clean competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slutskayafan21
    Actually the fact that a skating fan would actually have the gall to say something like that is the thing that is truly disgusting.
    :sheesh: hilarious

    Quote Originally Posted by Dibs
    Carly Patterson's gold in Athens was hardly "questionable" as I recall Svetlana Khorkina made several small mistakes and had some steps and shaky landings. Paul Hamm's gold is definitely questionable, but Carly had a clean competition.
    don't you know Americans are never supposed to beat Russians... it's not "right" and it's all NBC's fault :sheesh:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibs
    Carly Patterson's gold in Athens was hardly "questionable" as I recall Svetlana Khorkina made several small mistakes and had some steps and shaky landings. Paul Hamm's gold is definitely questionable, but Carly had a clean competition.
    I agree Carly's was not near as blatantly wrong as Paul's, and her gold was acceptable, although still debatable IMO. However Chorkina was underscored on two events clearly, vault and floor. On vault Carly did a vault with good but not outstanding height and form(it is not one of her great events, she is only good on vault and bars even at her best, but great on beam and floor), took a hop to the side, and was out of bounds, and it was only a 9.8 SV. She got a 9.3+. Chorkina did a vault with a 9.9 SV, stuck the landing cold, was perfectly down the centre, and had great height and distance. She should have outscored Carly by atleast 0.3 on vault but only did by just over 0.1. On floor Chorkina also deserved atleast a 9.650, but was given a 9.562. Chorkina's tumbling was not the hardest but it was still a 10 S.V routine and her passes were clean and her dance was the best of the event. I had no problem with Patterson scoring higher on floor, but Chorkina should have been closer than she was in the score. Chorkina was overscored on bars though, by about 0.15 since she did not do anywhere near her usual routine, she and Carly should have been about tied on bars, although it is an event Chorkina would normaly be well ahead. So Chorkina should have gained ground on Patterson from vault and floor, relative to the scores that were given, but Carly to Chorkina on bars. Had all events been judged correctly it would have been very close.

    As for Paul Hamm, well we agree here. What a joke his gold was. I think even he knows it, hasnt he retired now?

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    Slutefan- Carly may not always please the eye but her win was pretty decisive. She had a clear adavantage in start values. (Partly because Khorkina lost some bonus.) That is why Patterson won- 2 clean routines with 10 start value and two routines that were not great but started at 9.8 and 9.9.

    I understand thinking she isn't artistic or lacks great lines- but she had the start values the other women didn't and that won it for her. To be honest if Courtney Kupets had not been injured she might have beat both based on her ability to turn in clean perfromances but she too lacked about .2 of Patterson's total start values.

    And Hamm deserves his Gold- if anyone was gifted it was the second place finisher who actually should have lost SV but the judges didn't notice. Oh- and the Greek guy winning in EF was also a travesty. As was Pavlova finishing 4th in the AA- she should have won 3rd.

    I don't know why you get such pleasure out of declaring everyone false winners. If the judges wanted to give anyone a medal they would have, all the men missed multiple elements except Lysachek and (obviously) Plushenko. And even Evgeny had inflated scores- the correct placement but very high component scores for the content. Evan's scores reflected both his great skate and how sloppy everyone else became.

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    I need to go back and rewatch my tape of the 2004 Olympics, but I seem to remember that Khorkina was also overscored on beam. She made two bobbles in jumps on the beam (something the judges were seriously downgrading scores for that night) and then had a weak landing and still received a decent score when other gymnast were being massacred for lesser mistakes. She was underscored on her vault but I assumed the generous marks on the beam and the bars evened out the overall score. While Carly did have a weak vault and not so great landing, the rest of the competition she was spot on. IMO she was the clear winner, but of course gymnastics is a subjective sport.

    In Paul Hamm's case, I'm not sure he truly deserved that gold, but going in to the competition he was the All Around World Champion. Had he not screwed up his vault so badly he would have won fair and square. But he didn't so it will go down in history with all the other many many questionable finishes at World Championships and Olympics.

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    Khorkina's coach stated after the games that she desperately needed to up her difficulty and he tried to get her to do just that, and she flatly refused. This is what cost her the OGM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadymc
    Khorkina's coach stated after the games that she desperately needed to up her difficulty and he tried to get her to do just that, and she flatly refused. This is what cost her the OGM.
    But, wait...wouldn't that be....DIVA-like behavior??? From Khorkina? NEVER!

    Slutskayafan21 has a personal gripe with Lysacek....Apparantly that evil Evan ran over Sluty-fan's dog.....multiple times.....and maybe picked on him on the playground as well. Never mind the fact that Evan had one of the few perfect programs of the evening, in terms of what he was planning and what he actually accomplished. Nit-pick the 3axels all you want...they were landed and not downgraded.

    As for OVERMARKED...yeah, let's take a look at Plushy's LP for a sec.....doubled flip.....tentative spins.....no transitions.....limited choreography but for the step sequences....and he scores a personal best, which of course, is also the highest score in the history of CoP. The boy scored higher on TRANSITIONS than Matt Savoie. That one egregious error in itself is enough to laugh off the whole "personal best" score as blatant over-marking, or at least, if you have a brain.

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    Maybe for his exhibition Evgeny will skate to "Razzle dazzle'em" from Chicago?:chorus: :chorus: :chorus:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piel
    Maybe for his exhibition Evgeny will skate to "Razzle dazzle'em" from Chicago?:chorus: :chorus: :chorus:


    I can't believe y'all remember so much from the summer olympics... i can barely remember what I wore to work yesterday.... very impressive!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piel
    Maybe for his exhibition Evgeny will skate to "Razzle dazzle'em" from Chicago?:chorus: :chorus: :chorus:
    good one!

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    I've officially banned myself from any of slutskayafan's threads. Because they are ALL bout Evan, and what a HORRIBLE skater he is. Why you feel 465484846845645645132123 posts saying the SAME THING are necessary, I don't know, but I'm just going to stop reading them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDMM1991
    I've officially banned myself from any of slutskayafan's threads. Because they are ALL bout Evan, and what a HORRIBLE skater he is. Why you feel 465484846845645645132123 posts saying the SAME THING are necessary, I don't know, but I'm just going to stop reading them.
    Yeah, but ya gotta read the whole thing... We get it, he doesn't like Evan. But put those statements aside and you get a new & improved perspective on a lot of aspects of skating, the pros & cons with the new system and some flat-out enjoyable comments... That's the difference between a knowledgable poster with a different opinion than the popular one & a troll...

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    I personally enjoy Slutskayafan's conspiracy theories, whether true or imagined

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob43
    Slutefan- Carly may not always please the eye but her win was pretty decisive. She had a clear adavantage in start values. (Partly because Khorkina lost some bonus.) That is why Patterson won- 2 clean routines with 10 start value and two routines that were not great but started at 9.8 and 9.9.
    Actually Chorkina had a 9.9 SV on vault, a 10 on bars, a 9.9 on beam, and a 10 on floor(unless she did not get credit for her triple turn, in which case was wrong since it was fully rotated even if a bit shaky), so Chorkina was just as strong as Carly in SVs, even if she did it with less excessively difficult material than Carly, she worked the system well.

    I understand thinking she isn't artistic or lacks great lines- but she had the start values the other women didn't and that won it for her. To be honest if Courtney Kupets had not been injured she might have beat both based on her ability to turn in clean perfromances but she too lacked about .2 of Patterson's total start values.
    I dont know what makes you think it is rare for a top female gymnast to have alot of 10 SVs, most do. Anyway I admitted it was as big a controversy as the mens, but it should have been closer than it was is all. You said nothing regarding my ponts on Chorkina's vault score and floor score. Chorkina's vault was .1 SV higher and much better performed than Carly's so SV cant be used as reason for Carly getting a score only around .1 lower on vault

    And Hamm deserves his Gold- if anyone was gifted it was the second place finisher who actually should have lost SV but the judges didn't notice.
    You can think that but enough people dont feel that that he hasnt been seen competiting since and was revealed on NBC to be telling alot of American associates of his "the whole world is coming down on me". His p-bars and high bar were not worth 9.8+, and his vault should been below a 9. When he won silver on high bar later the crowd jeered to death, almost as long as Nemov's low score earlier. Obviously I am not the only one who thinks he is highly overscored, and his successes in Athens were somewhat phony for what he did.

    Oh- and the Greek guy winning in EF was also a travesty. As was Pavlova finishing 4th in the AA- she should have won 3rd.
    I agree here. Jovchtev was robbed on rings, and Pavlova should have medaled in the all around.

    Evan's scores reflected both his great skate and how sloppy everyone else became.
    This is not true since he skated before the others.

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