F-P/Margaglio Rant Thread (Feel Free to Join in if compelled)

JonnyCoop · Feb 18, 2006

I'm sorry, but I just can't seem to let this go. Having re-read the article that was posted about the CD dance competion (in the CD results thread, for those who haven't seen it yet), I have yet a few MORE comments:

First of all -- MAURIZIO MARGAGLIO, TECHNICAL SPECIALIST??? Who they gonna get next to assess technique and edge quality, Surya Bonaly????

Second, when they mention that F-P said that "the Canadians" are too young and immature, I can only HOPE that Barbie is referring to Wing & Lowe (which would be insulting and rude enough) and not that she has completely lost it and is referring to Dubreil & Lauzon. Because if Barbie considers D/L to be "young and immature", she must have completely forgotten in her dotage, that Barbie and Marie-France Dubreil are both veterans of the Junior World Championships of -- are ya ready? -- the 89/90 season!!! [Different partners] Where I might add, Dubreil won the bronze and Barbie was 15th.

This one's gonna get ugly, folks. I can feel it. This just might end up being when the fertilizer finally hits the windmill.

rain · Feb 18, 2006

Yes, aside from the blatant overscoring of this mediocre team, I have found many of their media responses to be needlessly insulting and rude to the teams they are competing against. They seem to have no respect for anyone else in the field. Now, I understand that one has to have belief in oneself to compete at this level, but one should also respect the rest of the competitors. It's not as if they are 20 points ahead of the field anyway. I thought that comment about the Canadians (frankly, given the egos here, I sincerely doubt they're even aware there is a team named Wing/Lowe) was ludicrous and simply demonstrated how out of touch they are with the current ice dance reality.

sk8addict · Feb 18, 2006

mafia

And we thought only the Russian Mafia was interested in figure skating! :biggrin:

JonnyCoop · Feb 18, 2006

rain said:
(frankly, given the egos here, I sincerely doubt they're even aware there is a team named Wing/Lowe) [/QUOT

Good one!! And you're probably right!!

jayta · Feb 18, 2006

Sooooooooo true. I thought perhaps I would give them the benefit of the doubt after reading the results and not having been able to watch them. But after watching them and comparing them to D/L, it wasn't a comparison at all. They were hoppy on their skates and they didn't have the smooth feel at all. I'll give them the fact that they managed to keep up their speed and all. But it was off kilter and insane! Another Olympic scandal people!

LOL.

But seriously, and now to read that they made comments about us? (I'm Canadian).

I knew they were stuck up before. I mean I could tell by the way they criticized their own marks from their previous career. But to do it here. How ungracious and unsportsmanlike. Obviously they don't know what it means to be in the Olympics. It's about the best being against the best and doing it in a sportsmanlike and gracious way. Grrr.

Dibs · Feb 18, 2006

I don't know if the judges could get away with putting FP&M in gold medal position with N&K being such favorites (the Russian federation would pitch a fit and rightfully so), but I could easily see them being given the silver or bronze. Other more deserving couples such as G&G, B&A, D&L could easily be shafted, and as long as it is not the gold there probably won't be much of a fracas to be had. It's really just stupid. And of course if FP&M won a medal I'm sure they would feel entirely justified and superior to the rest of the field because that's the attitude I'm getting from their interviews. I don't mean to be so nasty to them, but I dislike it when skaters blatantly declare their superiority rather than at least trying to be gracious.

Sk8n Mama · Feb 18, 2006

You know, I wonder if the judges haven't done this on purpose so there will be 'movement' in the standings through the event, since that's one of the complaints about Ice Dance. I will bet N/K willl move up to gold by the end of the competition. The Russian Federation was probably foaming at the mouth after the CD. Although, I think giving Tanith and Ben 6th is telling. I'm going to duck for cover from the American contigent here :lol: but I didn't like their CD. The way they did the swing rolls gave the entire dance a very jerky effect and Tanith's feet were not nice and neat, as they should be (too much wide-stepping). I agree the F-P & M were undeserving, and I never did like them from the days they 'got' it over Bourne and Kraatz but sitll acted like they deserved every ounce of it.

Shanti · Feb 18, 2006

Sk8n Mama said:
You know, I wonder if the judges haven't done this on purpose so there will be 'movement' in the standings through the event, since that's one of the complaints about Ice Dance.

While I agree that to some extent it may be true, FP/M placement can only discredit the judging.

Mathman · Feb 18, 2006

I guess I am the lone Fusar-Poli and Margaglio fan on the board, LOL. I always liked Barbara's in-your-face demeanor. She's got her 'tude down.

I also liked Maurizio's famous quote: "We're in first place; if y'all don't like it, skate better."

As for the judging, I don't know enough about this discipline to have an opinion. I thought they all looked beautiful, especially Jamie Silverstein. :love:

MM

kyla2 · Feb 18, 2006

Interesting

Personally, I liked N&K and D&L the best and then Ben and Tanith. But I will admit F&P were fast. I will also admit, I am not that quick on picking up the differences in the ice dancing competitors. I would have put N&K first. I think you could be right Johnny Coop, that there is going to be an ice war here.

Ladskater · Feb 18, 2006

JonnyCoop said:
I'm sorry, but I just can't seem to let this go. Having re-read the article that was posted about the CD dance competion (in the CD results thread, for those who haven't seen it yet), I have yet a few MORE comments:

First of all -- MAURIZIO MARGAGLIO, TECHNICAL SPECIALIST??? Who they gonna get next to assess technique and edge quality, Surya Bonaly????

Second, when they mention that F-P said that "the Canadians" are too young and immature, I can only HOPE that Barbie is referring to Wing & Lowe (which would be insulting and rude enough) and not that she has completely lost it and is referring to Dubreil & Lauzon. Because if Barbie considers D/L to be "young and immature", she must have completely forgotten in her dotage, that Barbie and Marie-France Dubreil are both veterans of the Junior World Championships of -- are ya ready? -- the 89/90 season!!! [Different partners] Where I might add, Dubreil won the bronze and Barbie was 15th.

This one's gonna get ugly, folks. I can feel it. This just might end up being when the fertilizer finally hits the windmill.

I am with you on this one hundred per cent. I was absolutely floored that Fusar Poli and Maurizio Margaglio are in the 2006 Olympics!!! I thought they had dropped off the map as it were after the last Olympics. Where did they come from? I can't believe that they are in first place after the compulsory dance. She (Barbie) must be kidding in her comment about D&L - they have been competing now for several years. They were always in the shadow of Bourne and Kraatz, but they were definitely on the scene!!!!

As for his skating skills, he was never that great a dancer. She has always been the stronger of the two. I am going to be chocked if F&M win the gold!!!

Piel · Feb 18, 2006

Any chance of getting that barfing emoticon in the next couple of days?

Serena · Feb 19, 2006

Mathman said:
I guess I am the lone Fusar-Poli and Margaglio fan on the board, LOL. I always liked Barbara's in-your-face demeanor. She's got her 'tude down.

I also liked Maurizio's famous quote: "We're in first place; if y'all don't like it, skate better."

As for the judging, I don't know enough about this discipline to have an opinion. I thought they all looked beautiful, especially Jamie Silverstein.

MM

You're not the only FP/M fan, I think their comments are hilarious (more entertaining than B/A's Miss America-esque comments), and to be honest, N/K are always overmarked as well.

FauveNik · Feb 19, 2006

I agree that N/K are always overrated and marked but lets be honest here, no way did Marizio skated better then Kostamarov, Stavinski or Sakinovski(sp?)
Well im glued to my tv for the next two dances that is for sure,, I also wonder how much a ticket prix will be for the OD and the Free now!!??? Interesting to say the least.
Fauve

Ladskater · Feb 19, 2006

kyla2 said:
Personally, I liked N&K and D&L the best and then Ben and Tanith. But I will admit F&P were fast. I will also admit, I am not that quick on picking up the differences in the ice dancing competitors. I would have put N&K first. I think you could be right Johnny Coop, that there is going to be an ice war here.

Fast? This was a Waltz for heaven's sake! It's supposed to be flowing and smooth with deep edges - they weren't doing the Kilian - now that dance is supposed to be fast!! I hope F&P trip in their short program. There I said it!

ygrec · Feb 19, 2006

Shall we do something about it?

I also can't let it go. I've seen some outrageous judging, especially in ice dance, but the marks given to F-P&M - that's really as bad as it gets. And the fact that the great Lithuanians were shoved into 8th place is perhaps even more appalling. I suggest that we write an appropriate message to the ISU - here's their contact page: http://www.isu.org/vsite/vform/page/feedback/1,11038,4844-130886-132194-74548-user-feedback-start,00.html
I don't really beleive it's going to do much, but it's better than nothing.
All the commentators I heard were simply shocked by the marks given to the Italians, as well as many former skaters. Surely they understand the sport better than the stupid judges. If I were in Torino, I'd just spit in the judges' faces. I strongly believe that such disgraceful judging ruins the sport and the Olympic spirit.
And maybe someone has better ideas as for what we could do against this outrage?

JOHIO2 · Feb 19, 2006

Lad, I wouldn't doubt that Mauri can trip over his own feet with two dances left in the comp.

and MM, you're right about Babs - she's got 'tude. and always had. that's where the tag "Scary Babs" came from.

soogar · Feb 19, 2006

I'm with Mathman and I love the Italians. If there was anyone who was held up, it was Belbin and Agosto. I never liked Tanith, she comes off as a major phony, and they did not skate that CD well. Dom Shabs were major robbed, but that's ok b/c something tells me that after everyone retires, DomShabs will be the top team, like N&K.

As for dissing Mauri, he did his job in the waltz and showed Barbra off. I was looking really hard at their feet and they were very close together and Barb was selling that dance. The OD is going to be a Latin dance and Barb and Mauri are going to sell the he!! out of that dance and probably win that leg as well.

Antilles · Feb 19, 2006

I can't help but wonder if Marina Anissina threw a fit the night of the CD. She and Barbara always seemed to hate each other's guts.

I'm very wary about how the rest of this competition is going to play out. I too find it funny that at 30 and 31, D&L are considered "too young". W&L aren't that far behind them in age, either. They've been skating together for around 20 years.

mike79 · Feb 19, 2006

If there was ever an example of an overmarked team the Gaggers take the cake. I usually never wish anything ill on skaters, but it woudn't bother me a bit if Maurizio suddenly had another toepick incident, ala Salt Lake City.

All of the teams down to D&S (Russians) are, IMO, better skaters than FP&M. I wish Barbara would get rid of Margaglio and find a partner who can match her technique.

Whenever I think of them I'm always reminded of Worlds 2001. The Gaggers won the title over A&P and the crowd let the judges have it.

Is it a coincidence that Speedy is Italian? Hmm...

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