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    I don't understand why everyone talks up a skater who can't do a decent 3 tl or 3 salchow as if she's the most unbeatable thing on the planet. I agree, she's a great talent with a great future. She does have an awesome 3 axel. However, if she doesn't have all the triples below a 3 axel, it sems obvious, to me, that she has tech problems. She really needs to get command of all the jumps, before I would believe the hype. I could see her in close 4th with a 3 axel.

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    SusanBeth - I think it is just that, she probably will have a great future. We'll be watching her soon. Will she be in Calgary? or do we wait for the next series of GPs. I doubt she will be in those American commercial competitions like Campbells and Marshalls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SusanBeth
    I don't understand why everyone talks up a skater who can't do a decent 3 tl or 3 salchow as if she's the most unbeatable thing on the planet.
    Because she can do a triple axel ! Actually I agree it's a shame for such a gifted skater to have trouble with the two easiest triples there are. I sincerely hope she can use this year out of senior world competitions to improve on her flaws. In this way the age rule could be a very good thing for her future.
    Nonetheless keep in mind that CoP does not care if all the different triples are done, but only to how many points the seven jump passes add up ... So with 4 different triples and 2 repeats she can still hit a 6 triples program. And such a program with 2 triple axels will weigh as much if not more more than the 7 triples routines only a few of the other top skaters can deliver.

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    One of the things I liked about the judging of the SP is that the clearly more juniorish skaters who did well (Meissner, Gedevanishvili and Hughes), were behind the seniors with better overall technique.
    Of the three Gedevanishvili is IMHO the closest to being soup (and should be ahead of Meissner) but is still a junior in posture and presentation.
    I think that if Asada had competed, she'd be in the puppy group rather than at the very top with the big dogs.

    She might be able to make up some ground in the LP but I think her win was roundly criticised in terms of PCS and barring a meltdown among the top four wouldn't necessarily make the podium and definitely not gold. Let's remember after her big win in the GPF she didn't win Japanese nationals.
    I agree that she's got a great future (if she can get a full set of triples and up her presentation game to senior levels) but I think the people who thought she would be a shoo-in for gold are ... exaggerating a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kwanford Wife
    That's funny, because the spouse and I had the same conversation... He was all like "damn. she should've stayed." Having said that... she wasn't and we'll never know... espcially since the judging was all about reinstating the 6.0...

    The good part... at least I was able to watch the skating without being stressed out...

    As for Mao... Based on the judging last night, I think its safe to assume that she'd been in the hunt, but this is the year of the Big Dawgs and I truly believe there was a meeting to discourage the "youngster" issue... Mao would've been 5th... 4th tops... of course, there are no guarntees once you move on to the long program...
    OK!

    I actually enjoyed not having my heart pop out of my chest worrying about an upcoming element from Kwan.

    ...As You Were..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callystarr
    OK!

    I actually enjoyed not having my heart pop out of my chest worrying about an upcoming element from Kwan.

    ...As You Were..
    Kwan's not there .... that's Baaad.
    But it makes it much less stressful ... that's Gooood.
    But it also makes it less interesting ... that's Baaad.
    But it comes with Frogurt ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeKatie
    good point about MK, had she been healthy and had a clean SP she would probably be right in there with the 3 way (almost) tie. No 3/3s (except for Kimmie) as usual. The LP might be a different story, but all the hype about MK not doing 3/3's -- nobody in ladies skating since Tara Lipinski has done consistent clean 3/3's and also had enough components marks to be near the top, which is why the USFSA put MK on the team - they knew she had a better shot at a medal than Emily.
    Don't forget Elene gede(can't remember the middle!)shvili, she did a great 3F/3T in the SP too.

    Also i'm not sure touting Tara as the model of consistency when she had a consistent triple/triple for around 14 months is very good. Arakawa had at least 14 months when she was nailing her 3/3s, as has ando on the junior circuit. To add to that Michelle had her Salome season where the only competition she missed the 3T/3T was Worlds.

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    Mao's problem is that working on the quad has affected the two jumps. But also under cop doing the two weakest triples gives her nothing. I think head to head to head Mao's youthful energy wouldn't have been as rewarded as it had been early in the year. I think she would have been 4th but closer than Fumie is...but we will never.

    Michelle would have contended in the short if she didn't reinjure herself in Torino. That is if she really had gotten her levels to 3 and 4 and actually completed the spin revolutions to get the level counted. And held her secondary spiral positions long enough to count. And do all that with out looking like she's counting so as not to lower her pcs's. And if she could land the 2a. See there is a lot of questions for Kwan that we can't guess about because she didn't compete all season. Michelle's talent isn't to be questioned-just rather or not she had had time to actually do enough reps so that she looks smooth. Now if she never got injured that's a whole other ball game. Michelle was doing a much needed reinventing of herself. People wouldn't have been able to compare her to the Kwan of the past because she was a different Kwan. Greats like Michelle have to keep things fresh or people compare you to your past self.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alain707
    Because she can do a triple axel ! Actually I agree it's a shame for such a gifted skater to have trouble with the two easiest triples there are. I sincerely hope she can use this year out of senior world competitions to improve on her flaws. In this way the age rule could be a very good thing for her future.
    Nonetheless keep in mind that CoP does not care if all the different triples are done, but only to how many points the seven jump passes add up ... So with 4 different triples and 2 repeats she can still hit a 6 triples program. And such a program with 2 triple axels will weigh as much if not more more than the 7 triples routines only a few of the other top skaters can deliver.
    Well she doesn't really have a problem doing a triple toe loop its just that i think she sometimes toe axels it and it gets downgraded to a doube and to avoid the risk of that she avoids the jump altogether. I don't think it would be a difficult jump for her to clean up though. The salchow is teh one that she struggles to land but since no-one seems to complain about Yamaguchi's lack of triple salchow, given that Mao make sup for it with a 3A and she's working on a quad, perhaps we can forgive her?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mafke
    Kwan's not there .... that's Baaad.
    But it makes it much less stressful ... that's Gooood.
    But it also makes it less interesting ... that's Baaad.
    But it comes with Frogurt ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by antmanb
    Well she doesn't really have a problem doing a triple toe loop its just that i think she sometimes toe axels it and it gets downgraded to a doube and to avoid the risk of that she avoids the jump altogether. I don't think it would be a difficult jump for her to clean up though. The salchow is teh one that she struggles to land but since no-one seems to complain about Yamaguchi's lack of triple salchow, given that Mao make sup for it with a 3A and she's working on a quad, perhaps we can forgive her?

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    If she toe axels it and keeps getting downgraded, then she has a problem with it.

    Right now, she's the "Flavor of the Month" and the 3 axel is a nice thing. However, if she doesn't have the full range of jumps, the judges will start noticing it when her month is up. I am sure they can reflect that in her marks someway. (Skating skills?) Heaven help her if she loses the 3 axel before getting the 3 tl or salchow. She'll drop like a stone. She's promising artistically, but that takes time and experience. Not only is she not quite the powerhouse she's hyped to be, she's horribly vulnerable. I do wish her luck.

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    I think Mao would have won here.

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    I think Mao would have won here
    I agree.

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    I don't think Mao would've won since she's immature with her artistry and she has a really bad flutz.

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    I think whoever singled out Lipinski for having a consistant 3/3s and good componanats has to give Hughes credit as well. Her toe-pick jumps were crappy but her edge jumps where at least as good as Lipinski's and she had a divine 2 ax. She was also a better spinner & had better edges to me.

    That said I think this code would favor someone lile a Yebin Mok who may not have chocked every element in the world into a program but could accomplish most of it with stunning ability.

    I'm waiting 2 years and 5-15 lbs to see how Asada turns out. She may loose the 3 axel butclean up the rest of her jumps. Another issue is what the callers start to do with flutzes- if they begin calling the flips (and lips lutzes) it could create problems for a number of the women. It would bring her down to 3 true triple jumps at the moment.

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