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    If Sasha join SOI, she sure can bring some new viewers into the show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dee4707
    Is that fact or just your opinion??

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    Umm, unless I missed something, I said "I think."

    OK, let me put this again. IMO, her programs are mostly zzzzz.

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    I'm begining to think that we should go back to the way things used to be - amateurs should not be allowed to earn money (eg. from the Grand Prix or from skating shows) until they become professionals. Amateur figure skaters today are making too much money and it violates the ideals of amateur athletics. I remember reading on this board recently that someoe said that Jeff Buttle bought himself a $50,000 car last year. If you can spend that type of money you are no longer an amateur athlete - you are a professional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan O
    I'm begining to think that we should go back to the way things used to be - amateurs should not be allowed to earn money (eg. from the Grand Prix or from skating shows) until they become professionals. Amateur figure skaters today are making too much money and it violates the ideals of amateur athletics. I remember reading on this board recently that someoe said that Jeff Buttle bought himself a $50,000 car last year. If you can spend that type of money you are no longer an amateur athlete - you are a professional.
    Why should figure skaters be subject to special treatment? After all, the Williams sisters could compete at Olys, and the Oly basketball team members make a fortune from the NBA. It also strikes me as grossly unjust to think that the ISU, the federations, and/or the TV people can all make money from skating competitions, but the athletes who actually do the work cannot. .

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    Quote Originally Posted by attyfan
    Why should figure skaters be subject to special treatment? After all, the Williams sisters could compete at Olys, and the Oly basketball team members make a fortune from the NBA. It also strikes me as grossly unjust to think that the ISU, the federations, and/or the TV people can all make money from skating competitions, but the athletes who actually do the work cannot. .

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    The moneys earned by figure skaters is the reason why they are no longer termed amateurs. Rather they are now known as Olympic eligibles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merrywidow
    The moneys earned by figure skaters is the reason why they are no longer termed amateurs. Rather they are now known as Olympic eligibles.
    What about the non-figure skating Olympians who make fortunes from their athletics -- like the NBA players who go to Olys? Are they called "Olympic eligible" or what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by attyfan
    What about the non-figure skating Olympians who make fortunes from their athletics -- like the NBA players who go to Olys? Are they called "Olympic eligible" or what?
    They might be. Different sports set different criteria for Olympic eligibility. Those are wide open for basketball and hockey. Figure skating has different rules. Basketball and hockey want the best players to be able to play. The best players from many different countries play in the NBA and the NHL.

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    I think Olympic eligible skaters being able to earn money is almost a necessity with the expenses invovled. Otherwise some would be even more pressured and others would basically have to go pro ASAP to help the families recoup the cost. Also- many skaters recieved stipends, housing, etc from their countries based on performance.

    Also - I think its fair since other sports like college football and basketball draw huge ratings and $ yet the athletes being peddled don't see a dime when they've put so much effort in. I think after seeing Michelle's 06 situation, other skaters considering runs at second or third Olympics will probably look more to the route Todd took in 99-02.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob43
    I think Olympic eligible skaters being able to earn money is almost a necessity with the expenses invovled. Otherwise some would be even more pressured and others would basically have to go pro ASAP to help the families recoup the cost. Also- many skaters recieved stipends, housing, etc from their countries based on performance.
    Interesting article by JoJo Starbuck in BOI on this. During her hey day with Ken Shelley, they had to abide by the strict amateur rules. They didn't get the support of government assistance as other skaters and teams received. One other thing she brought out was that during the era there were no other competitions to work out the kinks in their routines before a Worlds. There were no PanAms, no GPs, no Cambells, no Marshalls, no 4Cs It was just Nats to Worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob43
    I think Olympic eligible skaters being able to earn money is almost a necessity with the expenses invovled. Otherwise some would be even more pressured and others would basically have to go pro ASAP to help the families recoup the cost. Also- many skaters recieved stipends, housing, etc from their countries based on performance.

    Also - I think its fair since other sports like college football and basketball draw huge ratings and $ yet the athletes being peddled don't see a dime when they've put so much effort in. I think after seeing Michelle's 06 situation, other skaters considering runs at second or third Olympics will probably look more to the route Todd took in 99-02.
    First, college athletes very often get something very valuable -- a college education, with tuition, room, board, etc. all paid for. It's called an athletic scholarship. Second, IIRC, there have been a lot of scandals in college sports -- athletes improperly receiving money or other gifts. Do you want to invite more scandal into skating?

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    Well I think making the earnings above board and transparent removes the scandalous aspect. They know to run all decisions by USFSA or USOC powers. We all know the Sashas, Michelles and Yagudins often earn appearance fees and are given prize checks at the end of comps. Heck- one year some sports reporter dissected the USFSA budget to figure out appearance $ from pro ams or something of the like. That may not be your cup of tea but is far from scanndalous since it is in line with what is said/promised and is reported to the governing body and IRS.

    My point with college athletes is that football or basketball players can bring in major monies for their universities, risk limb if not life and while education is great- it is not always comensurate with the value of their contribution.

    I simply like how skating handles it- place x,y,x and ear a,b,c in prize money. If you choose to tour you can negotiate your worth with Scott Hamilton or Tom Collins. And if you take part in shows you can do so for free or for benefit. Some skaters like Kwan bank a mint, others like the Hughes girls chose to avoid the $ and their associated tasks. It's their choice- earn a living, make a fortune or simply do enough to keep yourself in boots and choreography.

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    Well, if they couldn't get paid, there would only be rich skaters. The ones whose parents are already rich and we would never have seen someone like M. K. Since practically all other countries let them earn big bucks, there would only be a few from USA that could afford it here and we would have very few medalists. I know, there are always a few but it doesn't seem fair that only the rich could do it. We would never have had a Kwan. Look how hard they had to work before she started earning money. I know she was skating before they allowed it but I doubt she could have gone quite as far. I think she would have quit some time ago to pay her folks back, etc.

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    First of all, if Sasha was touring with SOI as a PERMANENT cast member, she would lose her eligibility. When you are a permanent cast member, the SOI contract requires that you do every show, which would preclude Sasha from competing at Nationals, Worlds and cheesefests, because the dates conflict with SOI tour dates. Yes, the USFS allowed Sarah do it because she was in school and not competing anyway (and in no physical condition to compete), but she had to promise that she would return to competition in the future. I do not believe the USFS would give Sasha, the reigning US champion, such a sanction, just as they wouldn't do it for Todd Eldredge.

    Sasha could do guest appearances, but that's all. If she is going to Worlds, she will finish in the top 12 and will be required to do two GP events. If she pleads injury, she can't skip a GP event and skate in SOI. SOI doesn't go on tour until December, but the cast rehearsals are in the fall.

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    If Sasha plans to compete in Oly-eligible competitions next season, I don't see how she could appear in SOI until mid Spring after World's.

    It's somewhat presumptuous of Weiss to announce Sasha's joining SOI. I would presume that they are wooing Sasha, but that doesn't mean she's signing.

    After the 98 Oly's, I attended SOI in NYC. They announced that Tara was in the audience - so, no surprise when she joined them for the 99 season. After 2002 Oly's, I saw B&S in the lobby of Madison Square Garden while waiting for my friends to meet me for SOI - so, no surprise when they joined SOI for the 2003 season.

    If this news is true, SOI would have posted it on their site by now since it would be big news to sign the Oly Silver Medalist. Also, other than Browning, I haven't noticed mention of any other guests on SOI this season.

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