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    Joubert is going to have to learn NOT to skate on two feet 90% of the time if he wants to win a better color than silver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southwest wind
    Even with the short discussions here, I still don't get the costume. Any more insights?
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    I'm sure i read an article somewhere where he was asked about the costume at the start of the season and said something about the images conjured in his mind when listening to the music and about seeing a parrot and a zebra...hence the costume...sorry my memory is a little sketchy and i couldn't even begin to tell you where i read this but is was online...maybe try googling some key words and seeing what it throws out?

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    sooo many posts about the zebra. He WON!!! But you can still hate him if you like that sort of thing.

    Questions you may want to answer: 1. Will his knees hold up for the next four years? (I don't think so). 2. At 20 (very young for a man) will he continue to increase his quad content? (I think there will be a quad lutz in the future); 3. Will that 3 axel become just another jump in the clean program? (of course).

    Next batch: Will Brian have to resort to the Matrix to prove he is faultless and the best? Will Brian get some choreography between the jumps? Will Brian be able to cope with Vivaldi tempo music?

    I've never hated Lambiel and I will continue to NOT hate Lambiel.

    Joe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz
    sooo many posts about the zebra. He WON!!! But you can still hate him if you like that sort of thing.

    Questions you may want to answer: 1. Will his knees hold up for the next four years? (I don't think so). 2. At 20 (very young for a man) will he continue to increase his quad content? (I think there will be a quad lutz in the future); 3. Will that 3 axel become just another jump in the clean program? (of course).

    Next batch: Will Brian have to resort to the Matrix to prove he is faultless and the best? Will Brian get some choreography between the jumps? Will Brian be able to cope with Vivaldi tempo music?

    I've never hated Lambiel and I will continue to NOT hate Lambiel.

    Joe
    LEt me try to answer some of the questions:

    1. I'm sorry to say tha ti agree i'm not sure he's knees will hold out for another four years. But saying that Robin Cousins managed to carry on even despite his dodgy knees...though i think he might be at the stage now where he's had both knees operated on twice now...maybe bionic implants are the way to go...quints anyone?!

    2. I don't think he'll need to increase his quad content. Firstly the top men are struggling to put down consistent programs with 2 x 4T and 2 x 3A so i don't think any more quads are needed to win. Secondly for the reason of his knees i don't think he will. Also like you've noted Stephane seems to prefer toe jumps to edge jumps so i would suspect his next quad would be more likely to be a lutz or a flip, but since they're two of his most reliable triples he may not want to seriously train a quad cos it always throws off your timing for the triple - look at Plushy's salchow ever since he's been training the quad.

    3. I think the triple axel may just become Stephane's nemesis jump - the one he's always nervous about. I don't think he'll every be happy enough to put two in the LP and that might be the only reason to add a third quad, but for now i don't think he needs it.

    Re Joubert: I think if Brian carries on skating right through to Vancouver he'll bring out the matrix for that season...and i think he should. Petrenko used his winning LP for how many seasons leading up to his title? And pluschenko's been skating the same program to different music for the last 4 seasons!!! I don't know that Joubert will ever be able to pull off choreography even if he gets some good stuff, not while TT choregoraphs Brian's programs for Yags and then gets Yags to teach it to him. I think Joubert might be better off going for the pluschenko approach of getting his jumps the best they can and consistent as possible and throw the choreography in the bin. Joubert is one skater who could add quads to his repetoire - leading up to 2003 worlds he was seen landing quad toes, sals, flips and lutzes in practices. Although not consistently he has the ability, and one of the biggest flips in the business. Maybe he will end up outjumping everyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanzibar
    Hey Joe - good call on those predictions!

    Well, team Joubert is once again in a state of flux, so it will indeed be interesting to see what happens for next season now that he's dumped Morozov. It was Morozov afterall that gave him his best and most successful programs including TIME and MATRIX.

    yes true he did contribute those 2 programs,which are very good,especially Matrix,but that riverdance thing..whatever that was..that was absolutely ...it just wasn't good. I am glad Brian went back to Matrix for Worlds.

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    If going back to Matrix is what allowed Joubert to put down the performance he did at World's, than I'm thrilled he made that decision!!

    The men's competition on whole was one of the most exciting for me (just barely - as each dicipline held it's share of nail biting surprises for me). Lambiel was awesome, and the men's final was awesome. Good for Lambiel and congratulations on two consecutive World Championships!!

    I'm sure that no one is more disappointed in Buttle's LP than he was. But since "musicality" has been a topic in a couple of different threads, I will admit something. I watched all 24 of the Men's LP performances live on line, and I FREQUENTLY found myself saying...."I wonder what Buttle could do with that music??" And that consisted of many different styles of music. I hope we get to see Buttle skate to lots of different stuff going forward - whether he is "on" or "off" his jumps at any given time.

    Since this is a Lambiel thread, I will save comments on many other men for a more appropriate thread. I didn't mean to get so carried away!! I guess I'm just one of those fans who has too many skaters to love!!

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    I dont see why Joubert should worry about doing too much two-foot skating since the judges dont let it lower his PCS any. For the record Lambiel in reality crushed Joubert in the long program and beat him on TES score as well, since when you add the 5 or so points Stephane was cheated out of by the tech. specialist calling his triple axel a double, and the level 4 spin a level 2, he would have easily over Joubert on TES score and won the long program by about 5-6 points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slutskayafan21
    ...would have...
    The saddest two words in the language.

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    Technical difference between Stephane and Brian

    If we just look at the long program, Stephane technically beat Joubert not only because of what he did - one more combination jump - but when he did it....late in the program. Both of Jouberts 4T's (including the combo) were in the first half of the program and he only did triple jumps with no combinations and no 4T after the half-way mark. Stephane did his second 4T plus the 3F+3T and the 3Lz+2T late in the program.

    Joubert has got to be able to build points later in the program which means a lot of cardio strength - along with skating skills, choreography, interpretation, etc., all of which Stephane did better.

    What struck me more (I was in Calgary) was that Stephane was one of the few skaters who looked like he was actually enjoying what he was doing. Brian goes out there, puts on his "Matrix" face and that is all you get. Stephane was joyfully flying and as I told him after the qualifying, "The Zebra needs to fly one more time and please take us along for the ride." He did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carol45
    What struck me more (I was in Calgary) was that Stephane was one of the few skaters who looked like he was actually enjoying what he was doing. Brian goes out there, puts on his "Matrix" face and that is all you get. Stephane was joyfully flying and as I told him after the qualifying, "The Zebra needs to fly one more time and please take us along for the ride." He did.
    It's the Vivaldi music. It keeps building up for a big ..... well, I'll just say, bang.

    Actually, I saw Joubert give a little smile here and there. I couldn't help but root for him. He went through a bad slump period. Hope he continues to be a medalist.

    Joe

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    Slutskayafan21. Go back to Russia and eat a Double Cheese

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    Stephane should be honored, at least in terms of GS standards, by the response to this thread's topic. I've been a GSer for over four years and, in all that time, I don't think I've seen a thread with a topic so silly have this many posts unless it was about Michelle and/or Sasha.

    When you've got a post count up there close to Michelle's, you've hit the GS big time, big time!

    Keep those quads and zebras coming Stephane!

    Rgirl

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