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    As I stated on a previous thread, it's a fad with some of the kids. I wrote my daughter about it and she explains it like this-

    ."..when people wear CCCP logos and the like, it's merely for the kitsch. It's like wearing a Che Guevara shirt. Nobody takes it seriously, it's only for the sake of the image, revolutionary chic. And I'm planning on wearing my CCCP shirt to work tonight, thankyouverymuch. "

    People need to realize that the USSR is dead! CCCP has been reduced to a meaningless fashion motif. Actually, that's really insulting when you think about it. The "Evil Empire" has come down in the world. A bit like Ozymandias- "Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair! "

    Next year, the fad will be dead too.
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    Weir reminds me of a lot of people I knew in college who did things for effect. I think he is not averse to creating a stir. Wearing this at home away from photographers is OK; then it's just an interesting piece of clothing. I am fine with that; in fact, I would do that myself. However, I don't think I would wear a Soviet Union jacket at practice during an international competiition (or national for that matter). That's poor headwork and think he made a mistake doing that.

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    OK, what is a CCCP jacket???

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    Quote Originally Posted by 76olympics
    Weir reminds me of a lot of people I knew in college who did things for effect. I think he is not averse to creating a stir. Wearing this at home away from photographers is OK; then it's just an interesting piece of clothing. I am fine with that; in fact, I would do that myself. However, I don't think I would wear a Soviet Union jacket at practice during an international competiition (or national for that matter). That's poor headwork and think he made a mistake doing that.
    I am not saying that it was the smartest move in the world. I just think people are putting way too much importance on it. It wasn't an act of treason or a show of loyalty to tyrants. It was a thoughtless young person trying to look cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grgranny
    OK, what is a CCCP jacket???
    It's cyrillic for SSSR or Soviet of Socialist Republics.

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    The same people who aren't offended by the Soviet Union team jacket, would more than likely be offended if Johnny wore a Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy jacket.

    As for the Che Guevara shirts, it's the same thing as wearing a Heinrich Himmler shirt since Che was the equvilent to Cuba's Himmler with him murdering people who disagreed with Castro.

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    Thanks. Looks to me like he does things like that for attention. So, people that get annoyed and post about it just feeds his ego. Kind of like flag burning. If people just overlooked it, they wouldn't do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grgranny
    Thanks. Looks to me like he does things like that for attention. So, people that get annoyed and post about it just feeds his ego. Kind of like flag burning. If people just overlooked it, they wouldn't do it.
    If that was the case how come people feed attention into what neo-Nazis do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by new_europe2006
    The same people who aren't offended by the Soviet Union team jacket, would more than likely be offended if Johnny wore a Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy jacket.

    As for the Che Guevara shirts, it's the same thing as wearing a Heinrich Himmler shirt since Che was the equvilent to Cuba's Himmler with him murdering people who disagreed with Castro.
    I think you are projecting motives and intentions that aren't involved in this at all.
    These kids didn't grow up during the Cold War. It doesn't have the same emotions tied into it. To them, it truly means nothing. There is no treason or bad intent to it whatsoever. Naturally, you are free to not like it to your heart's content. That doesn't mean they are doing anything evil.

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    Johnny should wear whatever he wants. I'd watch him skate in a burlap sack. He's the best thing to happen to men's skating in 20 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SusanBeth
    I think you are projecting motives and intentions that aren't involved in this at all.
    These kids didn't grow up during the Cold War. It doesn't have the same emotions tied into it. To them, it truly means nothing. There is no treason or bad intent to it whatsoever. Naturally, you are free to not like it to your heart's content. That doesn't mean they are doing anything evil.
    I didn't grow up during the Cold War either yet I learned all about it. Most people in the US also didn't grow up during WWII yet almost everybody in the US knows about it.

    I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of being able to wear a Soviet Union jacket with no media outrage of it yet if an athlete wore a Nazi Germany team jacket, there would be outrage from the media around the world (rightfully so as well).

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    I don't believe most people equate the USSR with Nazi Germany. You may and that's your right. Others don't share it. That's their right. Because they do not equate the two countries, they do not react the same way to it. There is no hypocrisy involved. There is a difference of opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SusanBeth
    I don't believe most people equate the USSR with Nazi Germany. You may and that's your right. Others don't share it. That's their right. Because they do not equate the two countries, they do not react the same way to it. There is no hypocrisy involved. There is a difference of opinion.
    Maybe not hypocrisy, but a bizarre, willful, even, willingness to overlook the millions of people murdered by the Soviet Union. It's not a matter of "Oh, we were at odds with them." It's a matter of at least twenty million people killed. Six million Ukrainians alone were murdered in an engineered famine. Sure, the USSR doesn't exist as a political entity any more, but so what? I mean, Nazi Germany doesn't exist any more, either, but it's still not cool to wear swastikas and death's heads and SS lightning patches because several million people are still dead. Maybe because the Western left politicians and academics always made excuses for the Soviet Union and Communism in general some people think it wasn't as bad, but it was if anything worse than Nazi Germany. Saying that kids don't understand means they should be educated, not that they should be allowed to use mass-murdering dictatorships as fashion statements without expecting flak.

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    No offense to anyone but equating the Nazis with the USSR is outright ridiculous. For one they had COMPLETELY opposite political ideologies. Nazism was fueled by hate and a lack of respect for other cultures, communism, although having some inherent flaws (although so does capitalism) is not. Two, let's look at history. The USSR and the US ended the Cold War with a mutual respect, even friendship between Reagan (originally an ardent anti-communist) and Gorbachev (a man who moved the USSR to a path toward a more democratic society, although not quite the way he envisioned it). To me, saying that it was wrong for him to wear the jacket on the basis of any Cold War rhetoric is living in the past.

    People should never forget what the USSR did to its own people. That was, however, one period under Stalin. Yes they maintained the gulags, etc, but by the 1980s things did seem to be improving. What if someone decided to wear a Chinese jacket? Does that mean that they support the Tiannaman Square atrocities? Not at all. And let's be completely fair. It's not like the US hasn't committed its fair share of human rights violations. The same thing goes for Canada. I don't think we're ashamed to wear jackets from these countries.

    I don't know if he's trying to make any political statement or just a fashion statement. Whatever the case is, he likes the jacket. It does have a certain style that is pretty cool looking.
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    The point is that Johnny acquired the CCCP jacket before the games began.
    Traditionally, the exchange of athletic attire begins at the closing ceremonies.

    At least, publically, meaning he managed a Kodak moment before the games began wearing a Russian garment.

    I think a poor choice of timing.

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