All Russian medallists to skip Worlds

**mzheng** · 03-03-2006, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Sylvia

According to the Worlds entries list, Russia is sending Elena Sokolova plus 2 youngsters -- Katarina Gerboldt and Arina Martinova (both are competing at Junior Worlds 2 weeks before Worlds).

The top 2 placements determine next year's Worlds spots -- they have to add up to 13 or less for 3 ladies' spots in 2007 -- see:
http://www.frogsonice.com/skateweb/faq/rules.shtml#Q10

thanks. what number for two spots? 18 right?

**Dee4707** · 03-03-2006, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Red Dog

Well, If Cohen REALLY isn't planning on going, why is she telling everyone that she IS going? Make up your mind once and for all!

So...unless she's into deceiving everyone (not too surprising given who she is), I think she's gonna be there.

RD, are you sure you like it when people tell it like it is???

Dee

**soogar** · 03-03-2006, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by mzheng

See what happened in ladies? Non one bothered with 3/3s, even though both Arakawa and Irina were known for their jumps and 3/3s. But without Kwan, they don't think they need bring their A game to Olympics.

Please, it's not as if MIchelle has brought her A game to competition the past few years. The reason why they didn't bring out their 3-3s was because Mao wasn't there and Kimmie didn't bring them when she needed to.

**R.D.** · 03-03-2006, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by graceness

Um, Ms. Cohen would no doubt be insulted to be referred to as a "2nd tier" competitor for gold!

Graceness

but it IS a second-rate competition- or will be without Irina, Shizuka, or Mao!

However, I think in a way it gives the competition new life, and this might be interesting to see. If SC wasn't going it would be a serious toss-up for gold. But I now think she's the favorite to win this competition.

Bottom line- Arakawa skated clean and won. She was able to put it out there, the favorites choked- end of story.

RD, are you sure you like it when people tell it like it is???

I do. But I also like it when people keep their word.

**Jaana** · 03-03-2006, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Mathman

That continues to seem very strange to me. People are posting that Arakawa's coach told her to leave out the triple-triple after Sasha fell -- in fact, this is being praised as a "brilliant strategy."

But Irina was still to skate. Did team Arakawa somehow know in advance that Irina would leave her arsenal at home, too?

MM

My guess is that the team Arakawa strategy was to put pressure on Irina by forcing her also to skate a faultless freeskate and preferably with triple-triples, if Irina wanted to be sure of her win. It was a brilliant strategy for team Arakawa, because after the short programme those three ladies were so very close.

**mzheng** · 03-03-2006, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by soogar

Please, it's not as if MIchelle has brought her A game to competition the past few years. The reason why they didn't bring out their 3-3s was because Mao wasn't there and Kimmie didn't bring them when she needed to.

Please I'm talking about Olympics. Kimmie did 3/3 in SP. Do you really think had Kimmie brought 2 3/3s in her LP, she would beat Sasha, Arakawa or Irina? The PCS score.

Yeah, you are right Michelle diddn't brought her A game to last couple of years. But this is Olympics, if she was health, she'd brought her A game. And just beause she competed so sparcely last couple of seasons, her competetors had no way knew if she would bring her A game to the Worlds....Even in Mosco worlds, after watching the practice sessions, Tarosova made comments like Kwan was strong, while Irina skated well through out the season because of her strong will, but she needs a lot of refiness.

**Linny** · 03-03-2006, 01:24 PM

2003 Worlds, Michelle was brilliant. She brought her A+ game.
Linny

**Ravyn Rant** · 03-03-2006, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by Linny

2003 Worlds, Michelle was brilliant. She brought her A+ game.
Linny

She sure did. And the dear girl hasn't made me cry since.
Rave

**merrywidow** · 03-03-2006, 02:14 PM

I would like to remind you all that after the '98 Olympics NONE of the male medalists competed at Worlds but how often do Yagudin's fans mention that that is why he won the '98 World Championship? Answer? Never. So my point is that several years from now whoever wins these Worlds (whatever the discipline may be) will not be pointed out as having a less than great win because so & so was too tired to show up or was injured or whatever their reasoning for not attending might have been. A win is a win.

**Mathman** · 03-03-2006, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Ravyn Rant

She sure did. And the dear girl hasn't made me cry since.

Except for Tosca at 2004 Nationals, that is.

**R.D.** · 03-03-2006, 02:32 PM

hehe. you forgot Bolero

**STL_Blues_fan** · 03-03-2006, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by merrywidow

I would like to remind you all that after the '98 Olympics NONE of the male medalists competed at Worlds but how often do Yagudin's fans mention that that is why he won the '98 World Championship? Answer? Never. So my point is that several years from now whoever wins these Worlds (whatever the discipline may be) will not be pointed out as having a less than great win because so & so was too tired to show up or was injured or whatever their reasoning for not attending might have been. A win is a win.

I would guess that nobody metions the circumstances under which Yagudin won his 1998 gold is because he repeated that feat 3 more times, and the year he did not win gold, he got a silver. That's 5 world medals. On the other hand, a lot of medalists following the Olympics are "one-hit-wonder" if you will. Most of those who capitalized on the 1st tier competitors staying away do tend to drop off the podium the following year. That's when the strong get stronger and those who skipped the worlds the year before come back.

I agree is that win is a win. But for the most part, people tend to remember less those world medalists following the Olympics.

**Mathman** · 03-03-2006, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Red Dog

hehe. you forgot Bolero

Wait! Wait! I mean The Feeling Begins SP at 2004 Worlds.

**R.D.** · 03-03-2006, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by STL_Blues_fan

I would guess that nobody metions the circumstances under which Yagudin won his 1998 gold is because he repeated that feat 3 more times, and the year he did not win gold, he got a silver. That's 5 world medals. On the other hand, a lot of medalists following the Olympics are "one-hit-wonder" if you will. Most of those who capitalized on the 1st tier competitors staying away do tend to drop off the podium the following year. That's when the strong get stronger and those who skipped the worlds the year before come back.

I agree is that win is a win. But for the most part, people tend to remember less those world medalists following the Olympics.

I'm inclined to agree here. The Worlds are just so anticlimactic (sp?) following the Olympics.