96 Worlds LPOriginally Posted by Jorje286
96 Worlds LPOriginally Posted by Jorje286
Sorry, I thought you were asking about what year she skated to Malaguena
no, my misunderstanding, her Maleguana program was either 96 or 97 and perhaps both.
I think it was bothOriginally Posted by sk8m8
I think she should be an inspiration to skaters who are not naturally gifted artistically.
I have her skates from the mid-1990's on tape, and she didn't stand out as a particularly beautiful or artistic skater. By the time she won her world championship about three or four years later, that had all changed. She had become a stunning skater for whom artistry was a strong point. That change must have come about through sheer hard work on her part.
I don't think you can pull off artistry by hard work.
I somewhat see your point though. I didn't watch any of her pre-99 performances except for the 98 olympics performance. And she did quite badly on the artistic side compared to her 99 performance at the worlds. (and she did the same program)
But I do think she's naturally gifted. She just has that umatched elegance and beauty on the ice. She doesn't need to make lots of facial expressions or even some obvious body movements to express herself; it just flows naturally in her skating. I think for her to choreograph her programs and to design her own clothes, she must be artistically inclined more than the other performers.
BTW, do you have any pre-1999 performances that you can upload? thanks in advance
Last edited by Jorje286; 03-05-2006 at 04:13 AM.
Originally Posted by Jorje286
thanks so much!
One memory that I will always treasure-
I was watching the practices for Ladies SP at the 2001 worlds in Vancouver. Maria was struggling. She fell on or had problems with nearly every triple flip attempt. It did not look good. Come competition time, she landed it cleanly and skated a clean SP. She was a fighter and a competitor. Early in her career her fed did not support her. She was even kicked off the team at one point. She fought back and became the first Russian lady to win a world championship in the Ladies event- ahead of Irina Slutskaya who is a legend in her own right.
At the same world championships in the LP, she was in contention for a medal, although she did not. However, her LP skate (17 moments in spring) was beautiful, mature, sophisticated. She received a standing ovation from the audience. In a way I understand her frustration in not receiving the artistic marks she deserved under the 6.0 system.
I first noticed Maria at the 1996 Europeans. I also watched Irina for the first time at the same time. Both seemed like promising young Russian ladies. (Sorry for bringing Irina in, but they burst on the scene around the same time and gave Russia a strong ladies team). In the past the Russian singles ladies never caught my attention. (The late) Kira Ivanova or IIRC Natalia Lebedeva (1990 worlds), Olga Markova (too weird outfits) did not impress me, but I felt that Maria and Irina definitely had potential. I was so surprised when Maria won the worlds in 1999, beating Michelle Kwan! Those days Michelle appeared to be unbeatable so this was a rare achievement. It helped that MK was 4th in the SP and Maria was 1st. Maria did not crumble under the pressure of having to skate well enough to win the gold medal (she may have placed second in the LP; I don't remember). She had truly arrived.
In 1998 Oly she had a chance to win the bronze ahead of Lu Chen. She was in 3rd place entering the LP. However, nerves got to her, as they sometimes did, and the bronze slipped away. Her desire for an Olympic medal remained unfulfilled and I feel sad about it. I always think of her as a gifted artistic skater, and a true fighter.
Nope. She beat Michelle in both the SP and LP. If I remember correctly, she got 5.8s and 5.9s all over the board, and she skated before Michelle in that competition. (I think she also got 6s on presentation, but I am not quite sure).(she may have placed second in the LP; I don't remember)
Maria was an artist, avant garde in both her choice of music and outfit [until Johnny adopted and mocked her style], but her brilliance was overshadowed by her consistenly jerky landings and weak spins and spirals. You have to admit though that outside of Irina and Tara (??), Maria has one of the most consistent 3 loop and 3toe/3salchow sequence. She was vastly underappreciated by the Russian Fed., which preferred Irina, but was later adored by the Russian fans who appreciated her for her beauty and bankability as a TV personality.
I think Otonal was her best porgram. The choreograpgy is much better than Johnny Weir's program. Maria was also in her best shape around 98, 99, and 2000.
I have also enjoyed her pro performances. She seemed to have more freedom in them and her artistry really showed up.
I'll have to disagree with you on her spins and spirals. She didn't have the hyper-flexibility of today's CoP skaters, but her spins and spirals were pretty good. Sure her layback was a general eye-sore, but her camel was beautiful, with good centering and speed. Her star spin and sit spin (with arms behind her back) were very nice also. She had some strong edges in her spirals, and she held and followed through with each position.Originally Posted by VINLUSKWAN
Her jumps did have those stiff landings, but her technique on the take-offs was good. True lutz and flip. And nice flow into the loops.
to the great programs that have already been mentioned. I want to give a special plug to Maria's "Fever" short program that she did at the 1998 OG. That was My second favorite from that competition. She really showcased her musical versatility there.