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Plushy! Plushy! Plushy!
Most overscored skater or team today?
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Plushenko! The short program scores at Olys especially were a joke.
A close second to T/M. Their technical ability is unquestionably the best, but their PCS are way, way too high for the slow, overcautious, uninspired skating. They won clearly, but they should have been marked down a bit.
A close second to T/M. Their technical ability is unquestionably the best, but their PCS are way, way too high for the slow, overcautious, uninspired skating. They won clearly, but they should have been marked down a bit.
Buttle is overmarked. I don't think he's as far ahead of everyone else in the PCS department as the marks indicate. While it's nice to have the skaters who aren't as consistent with jumps be rewarded for what they do, it blows my mind that skaters can be in the hunt with one triple Axel and no quad.
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Sasha Cohen. How on earth can she get high PCS marks in skating skills when she's way behind the other top ladies in that department.
I'd also say Irina is overmarked with her bare bones choreography.
I'd also say Irina is overmarked with her bare bones choreography.
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I now wish I had included Plushenko as part of my poll. I suspect from the comments that is where most of the "other" votes are going to. No surprise to see Cohen, Lysacek, and probably Plushenko, leading the way though. 3 very very very overscored skaters, the latter is far enough ahead he deserves his wins though, while the other two often get bumped up in placings because of their inflated scores.
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mike79 said:
Actually there are many skaters "in the hunt" with no quad, and Buttle does two triple axels in the long typicaly. Other skaters regularly "in the hunt" with no quad, and no more jump difficulty than he has: Lysacek, Weir, Oda, Takahashi
(ok he tries 1 quad in the long abit more often, but still barely more than Buttle though, and he has only landed it once this year to Buttle's none, again not a big difference).
slutskayafan21 said:
And how many times has he actually landed both Axels in the LP?
I agree that those guys are up there as well. However, Buttle can fall out or pop jump after jump yet the PCS never drops accordingly. It's easy to see when he starts giving up in a program and I feel that he should be marked accordingly. I love that his skating gets rewarded as it's so intricate, but it seems like he gets higher marks than he deserves time after time. The new system is not pushing him at all.
slutskayafan21 said:
Actually, Lysacek has the quad and two triple axels, and is clearly underscored in the PCS.
Back to the poll, Plushenko is by far the most overscored skater. His PCS at the Olympics were simply a scandal.
Unfortunately the new system leaves still too much room to the judges.
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I know this is about Olys, but I gotta say that they overscored Sasha's free on worlds!
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bigdeal said:
Lysacek and Plushenko should both -1 on GOE on all their spins, and Plushenko should probably get mid-5s for choreography and transitions.
Sasha - she's gorgeous and can hit stunning positions but the girl can't buy a proper edge. Her spirals, jumps, landings and sometimes even spins are beautiful except for all being on no edge, the wrong edge, a flipping edge or simply falling off the edge to the ice. its maddening. (It's all the more noticable against Irina and Michelle who are entirely different but both have good edging.) How all that is constantly overlooked is beyond me.
I think Plushy is often overscored but that is more a matter of degree than placement. (In the past I also thought Michelle got a few Kwan bonusses but they never impacted placement do its not as troublesome.)
I think Plushy is often overscored but that is more a matter of degree than placement. (In the past I also thought Michelle got a few Kwan bonusses but they never impacted placement do its not as troublesome.)
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psycho said:
I agree on his triple axels, they would be downgraded to doubles almost every time if they followed the rules. Of course some skaters, who are adored, get away with cheating a jump all the time, and others have a triple reduced to a double and over 4 points loss for no reason other than the specialist felt like it(Lambiel's triple axel a recent Worlds).
Lysacek's "jazz hands". Well to his credit atleast he makes his hands do something during the in-betweens, since the rest of his body is doing pretty much nothing.
Good point.
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Definitely Zhang & Zhang. They should not have medaled at the Olympics. They should have placed third at worlds (behind Petrova-Tikhonov). At the 2005 worlds they should have placed lower than Pang & Tong (the judges finally got the order right between these two pairs).
I see nothing worthwhile in their pairs skating other than him throwing her high above or high across. Her positions during lifts are painful to watch. Their high PCS scores are ridiculous. IMO they could work on some things and become a better pair but the judges are giving them such high marks with such poor technique; I don't see why they would be even motivated to improve.
Vash
I see nothing worthwhile in their pairs skating other than him throwing her high above or high across. Her positions during lifts are painful to watch. Their high PCS scores are ridiculous. IMO they could work on some things and become a better pair but the judges are giving them such high marks with such poor technique; I don't see why they would be even motivated to improve.
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Vash01 said:
Some of their tricks are spectacular, I would concede that, but I still find their programs alot of connect-the-dots. You are right as well that her positions in the air in lifts are terrable. She needs some of the expression he has in their programs as well.
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In Moscow, Pang/Tong were anemic in their LP, with scratchy edges and poor ice coverage. They were skating against each other. I thought they were held up as reigning World bronze medallists. Zhang/Zhang had the energy Pang/Tong lacked and didn't fight each other.
I think any score Z/Z received at the Olympics was overscored, because they should have been disqualified, with the ref calling the two minutes at the start of the disruption, not minutes later.
I chose Sokolova, who I think has been given PCS/pre scores based on her potential and the occasional highs in her program, but not for the programs on the whole. I've seen her almost a dozen times in live competition, and she's performed one SP to her potential, by maintaining speed, posture, and some semblance of line; interpreting the music (or at least not fighting it); keeping the telegraphs to a minimum, and displaying both energy and charm. She, for me, is the lost skater: so much jumping ability, a body that doesn't undermine line, and charisma that plays to the back of the house, but her performances come across like patchwork.
I think any score Z/Z received at the Olympics was overscored, because they should have been disqualified, with the ref calling the two minutes at the start of the disruption, not minutes later.
I chose Sokolova, who I think has been given PCS/pre scores based on her potential and the occasional highs in her program, but not for the programs on the whole. I've seen her almost a dozen times in live competition, and she's performed one SP to her potential, by maintaining speed, posture, and some semblance of line; interpreting the music (or at least not fighting it); keeping the telegraphs to a minimum, and displaying both energy and charm. She, for me, is the lost skater: so much jumping ability, a body that doesn't undermine line, and charisma that plays to the back of the house, but her performances come across like patchwork.
