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slutskayafan21 · Mar 26, 2006

Kimmie had a great skate and probably deserved to win but her PCS scores were a total joke. Then again the judges have shown you only have to be able to land all your jumps and have alot of spunk and speed to get huge PCS scores in some cases, it is interesting the rule book demands more detail than that but hey they are the judges, they do whatever they want. :rofl:

krenseby · Mar 27, 2006

Jasper said:
I'd say that that was the case in Torino, but not here. She lacked the passion from the very first minute of the program and didn't show much fight to me. She just didn't sell the choreography and it was by far the worst I've seen her skate her Romeo and Juliet.

I agree with you Jasper. The moves were there but Sasha wasn't showing the same passion and excitement. She was on auto-pilot and not really into her own program as much as she usually was. I think this competition was not a fun time for Sasha. Previously, she stepped out or fell on jumps, but in Calgary she seemed exhausted, out-of-tune with her program musically and artistically. I wonder what happened to her this time. Maybe she was really stressed out after the Olympics and simply was not ready for this competition.

jsteam4501s · Mar 27, 2006

Mathman :chorus: :chorus: That Leistner picture :rofl:

Thanks, you've made my day :clap:

antmanb · Mar 27, 2006

Jasper said:
What did they say?

[the original post said that the Eurosport comentators were angry]

They were angry at the fact they thought sokolova was undermarked. Now i do agree with them about the LP but they also cried foul in the SP which i don't agree with since i think sokolova should have been below Meier since i think Meier is a a better skater artisitcally thatn Sokolova and her PCS should be higher. I think Sokolova has always been gifted in the presentation/PCS marks. They were saying that someone really needs to question the results with the judges.

The comments they made were that the ISU need to go and really think about the new judging system, which they said they liked, but that it needs some serious tweaking in order for the results to be right which they didn't think happened here.

And i couldn't disagree more with them - while there are a lot of tweaks i think the system needs, the thing they are complaining about has nothing to do with teh jusging system or the code of points, its inept or crokked judges who are not giving the correct marks. The judges used the PCS to do what they wanted, they used them to hold Sasha up over sokolva and they radnomly added PCS marks to Kimmie's LP just because of what she laid down technically, and they didn't even need to because if they had given her the PCS she deserved she still would have won.

On small of topic giggle, i also think Simon was outraged at the results because he clearly gets a bit overexcited at the pretty blonde skaters...he couldn't contain he gushing about Korpi and Sokolva got the same treatment!!

Ant

Joesitz (RIP) · Mar 27, 2006

Sokolova had the skate of her life. She had a poor QR (so did Sasha); she had a good SP (so did Sasha); she did her best work in the Free (Sasha didn't). That's the way it was in Calgary.

It was not about the best skater in the world. It was about the best that night.

If Lysacek could come from behind, so could Elena, and they both did.

If posters can't understand that, they should get on to Fussbol and forget figure skating.

tarotx · Mar 27, 2006

All of Sokolova elements are level three in her long programs. If she would have brought more then just jumps I think the judges would have given it to her.

antmanb · Mar 27, 2006

Nmsis said:
I don't know for the qualification part but Sokolova definitly deserved to be 2nd of the short. She was underscored during the whole competition. The qualification score has nothing to do about her being out of the podium, only maybe not being on the 1st step.

Really? I thin kthe qualification has a lot to do with whther you end up on the podium- just ask Sandhu!

I really don't understand why you think sokolova should have been in 2nd after the SP - i haven't looked at the protocols but its celar to me that she does much simpler spins and footwork than the other girls, she does not skate as fluidly or artistically as a lot of the other girls. Peronally i would have put Sokolova in 7th behind Meier in the SP.

Ant

antmanb · Mar 27, 2006

Mafke said:
But, while I'm nitpicking, what is it that makes her toe loops look so weird?

I don't know that they look weird but she has a great delay on the toe loop - i think its how she gets the quick rotation she picks in but stays open for asplit second longer than other skaters and pulls in really quick and tight and knocks out the three rotations - its very sound technique and i think the CoP actually notes a delay on the take off or landing as a +GOE factor.

Ant

tarotx · Mar 27, 2006

antmanb said:
Really? I thin kthe qualification has a lot to do with whther you end up on the podium- just ask Sandhu!

I really don't understand why you think sokolova should have been in 2nd after the SP - i haven't looked at the protocols but its celar to me that she does much simpler spins and footwork than the other girls, she does not skate as fluidly or artistically as a lot of the other girls. Peronally i would have put Sokolova in 7th behind Meier in the SP.

Ant

In the short Elena had three level 4 spins-her layback was a level 3, her spiral was level 4 and her footwork was a level 2. She also only did a triple loop as her solo jump.

antmanb · Mar 27, 2006

Dee4707 said:
Well RD, my heart went out to Sasha. Her eyes told the whole story. I think she really tried and I am not quite sure why she can't have good steady jumps. If she stays in skating I hope she gets help with the technical part of her skating. I don't think her skate was as bad as made out to be. I hope she doesn't quit skating but if she does I wish her well in whatever she does with the rest of her life.

Dee

I think if she stays in skating then Nicks should ship her off to a jump specialist for part of the summer - maybe someone like Kathy Casey? Break the jumps right down to the very basics and work them back up again from the singles right up. Sort out that flutz and get her landings much stronger. She still has a tendancy to land all of her (even successful jumps) awkwardly and she's not quick enough or strong enough getting the free leg checked back. She needs to get complete confidence in her jumps and that only comes from solid technique, she needs to be able to rely on them and know that she can rely on her conditioning and training when she's losing her head with nerves.

Of course that's all much easier said than done and reworking your jump technique can throw your jumps off totally.

I don't know if she wants it badly enough anymore. like others have noted she didn't look like she wanted to be there.

Ant

Joesitz (RIP) · Mar 27, 2006

antmanb said:
I think if she stays in skating then Nicks should ship her off to a jump specialist for part of the summer - maybe someone like Kathy Casey? Break the jumps right down to the very basics and work them back up again from the singles right up. Sort out that flutz and get her landings much stronger. She still has a tendancy to land all of her (even successful jumps) awkwardly and she's not quick enough or strong enough getting the free leg checked back. She needs to get complete confidence in her jumps and that only comes from solid technique, she needs to be able to rely on them and know that she can rely on her conditioning and training when she's losing her head with nerves.
Ant

I can give you an ITA on that but you have to see her live in competition to try and figure her out. To me, she doesn't want to compete. Her mind is doing the exhibition after she's won the competition, and suddenly she realizes she is being judged and she either skates a great competitive exhibition or loses her momentum. After watching her for five years, she is still and iffy skater not unlike Sandhu

Her biggest assets are her extensions in spirals. These wow moves really get to the best of the program. Her jumps have never been a wow issue. They are no more than standard, and limited to 3x2s. The split jump is now considered footwork and is part of her excellent flexibility. She had good choreo this season with her much used R&J. She is definitely an entertainer, moreso imo, than a serious competitor.

Does she really want that gold medal which she is so capable of getting? I, too, wonder if she will continue competitive skating.

Joe

antmanb · Mar 27, 2006

Joesitz said:
I can give you an ITA on that but you have to see her live in competition to try and figure her out. To me, she doesn't want to compete. Her mind is doing the exhibition after she's won the competition, and suddenly she realizes she is being judged and she either skates a great competitive exhibition or loses her momentum. After watching her for five years, she is still and iffy skater not unlike Sandhu

Her biggest assets are her extensions in spirals. These wow moves really get to the best of the program. Her jumps have never been a wow issue. They are no more than standard, and limited to 3x2s. The split jump is now considered footwork and is part of her excellent flexibility. She had good choreo this season with her much used R&J. She is definitely an entertainer, moreso imo, than a serious competitor.

Does she really want that gold medal which she is so capable of getting? I, too, wonder if she will continue competitive skating.

Joe

And you know what - i would totally understand if she doesn't want to do it anymore. Its pretty gruelling to have to train your guts out and take the pounding of the jumps day in, day out for the number of years she's done it. You have to ask what your motivation is. It its just a gold medal then at some point she has to realise that this year was her best chance because next year not only will she be a little bit older and possibly a little more injured, she'll also have younger skaters coming up from juniors who have the potential to out jump even Meissner.

Ultimately what Sasha doesn't have that both Irina and Michelle have is a love of competing. Both Irina and Michelle have said that they love competing, they get a kick out of competing and they tend to raise their games to meet the challenge. Sasha apparently does not love competing and looks downright scared of competing.

Ant

Frau Muller · Mar 27, 2006

THANK YOU, KIMMIE!!!! A very well deserved gold medal! World Champ!!!

Congrats to Fumie for her silver - her highest finish ever. Super!

As for third - SOKOLOVA WUZ ROBBED - but a nice comeback for her, nonetheless.

KIMMIE! KIMMIE! KIMMIE! How sweet! As Peggy Fleming said, "A fresh-faced, nice girl." Amen. :rock:

R.D. · Mar 27, 2006

As for third - SOKOLOVA WUZ ROBBED - but a nice comeback for her, nonetheless.

As posters keep saying over and over again, Elena I think was judged fairly (she was above SC in the FS) but had TOO MUCH GROUND TO MAKE FROM THE QR. SHE WAS TOO FAR DOWN THEN. SHE WAS NOT ROBBED PEOPLE

skatingfan5 · Mar 28, 2006

Justafan said:
I wish she would lose the watch while on the ice. I think it looks nurseish or something. Maybe it's a superstitious thing.

It's a watch -- but since she's been wearing it for at least the past three seasons, I think it may now have become a bit of a "good luck" thing for her -- like Michelle's gold pendant.

Vash01 · Mar 31, 2006

Jasper said:
As much as I love Sokolova, her skating does not suit this judging system at all. Her footwork sequences and spins are generally low levels. She doesn't have great posture, stretch, or transitions. Her strength, when she's completely on, is jumping. And someone did mention that she didn't complete all her triples, so...

Under the old system, maybe she would have won a medal over Sasha.

Sokolova should have medalled. Sasha's problem was not just the fall at the end, but she had problems on all but two jumps. Judges often tend to not give her negative GOE's when she deserves them. Sasha's execution marks in the PCS should have been low. Sokolova badly lips her flip but other than that she had a very solid performance with great energy. Sasha did have a big lead over her, but IMO she was held up big time in the QR, while Sokolova got the low marks she deserved in the QR.

Vash

Vash01 · Mar 31, 2006

Jasper said:
Did Nakano do the 3A? No falls, it says. I'm sure she wasn't credited for it anyway because they usually reduce it to a 2A.

FPl. Name Nat. Points QB QA SP FS
1 Kimmie MEISSNER USA 218.33 2 5 1
2 Fumie SUGURI JPN 209.74 1 2 2
3 Sasha COHEN USA 208.88 3 1 4
4 Elena SOKOLOVA RUS 202.27 6 3 3
5 Yukari NAKANO JPN 195.65 2 6 6
6 Sarah MEIER SUI 195.11 5 4 5
7 Joannie ROCHETTE CAN 189.41 1 7 8
8 Emily HUGHES USA 184.75 3 10 7

Silver for Fumie.

Congrats to Kimmie but I can't say she's even remotely a mature skater. I hope to see Kim, Asada, and Gedevanishvili all competing against her next season.

Yukari Nakano did not attempt a triple axel in her LP though she landed one in the warm up. She did 2A, 3z-2t, 3s, 2R, 3s, 3t-2t-2r, and she stepped out of the 3t at the end. Her marks were as they should have been. For a first appearance at worlds it was a respectable performance.

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