Emily Hughes' spiral
- Thread starter Johar
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You can do it with your hips squared in skating, it's just really hard to get your leg high. I have some bad ballet habits in my spiral position that I'm trying to break (though I will never have a huge angle on my spiral--my hips and the angle at which the femur joins them simply are not built to do that.)
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Just being healpful
The point where the Femur joins to the hip via the Acetabulum, which some have lower "pockets" allowing much more "angle flexibility." Also the Ilio femoral liggaments have to be either longer or ripped at early ages to grow back at longer lengths to allow for this "capability" or they just naturally posses this. I believe that this may have been some of what happened to Sara H. But I think that was more due to the triples in conjunction with her wider hips and shallow Acetabulum.
The point where the Femur joins to the hip via the Acetabulum, which some have lower "pockets" allowing much more "angle flexibility." Also the Ilio femoral liggaments have to be either longer or ripped at early ages to grow back at longer lengths to allow for this "capability" or they just naturally posses this. I believe that this may have been some of what happened to Sara H. But I think that was more due to the triples in conjunction with her wider hips and shallow Acetabulum.
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WOW! There's no way I could possibly dispute the above. Great post Seanibu.seanibu said:
Joe
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Lol, short version of Senaibu's post--some people just aren't built that way. (I'm one of them.) If you looked at an articulated skeleton, it would make a lot of sense on the joint part.
On this topic, I saw Emily's spiral in person today. (Word around the rink is she was here to work with Mark on a show program he choreographed for her.) The edge IS that deep, her leg from my viewing angle looked straight, though my impression was she does tend to hold her head rather low. Not as much arch to her back and I'm not sure that's necessarily a bad thing. From the side, it's not an unattractive line.
And now having seen her up close, if she is fat, I'm morbidly obese. (I'm not even close.) We should all be so fat.
On this topic, I saw Emily's spiral in person today. (Word around the rink is she was here to work with Mark on a show program he choreographed for her.) The edge IS that deep, her leg from my viewing angle looked straight, though my impression was she does tend to hold her head rather low. Not as much arch to her back and I'm not sure that's necessarily a bad thing. From the side, it's not an unattractive line.
And now having seen her up close, if she is fat, I'm morbidly obese. (I'm not even close.) We should all be so fat.
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Johar said:
I don't see anything wrong with Emily's spiral. For starters, she is on an edge that would make her appear to have her head lower. The Hugh's family seem to get criticized for their spiral positions. Poor Sarah was constantly critiqued here at Golden Skate about her spiral. I think Emily's spiral is just fine.
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If Cohen would actually do her spiral correctly, her free leg wouldn't be anywhere near as high as it is now, and it wouldn't look so special. Emily may keep her head a little too low, but overall I think she has a better spiral than Sasha. At least Emily knows what an edge is! And, she doesn't "open up" her body the way Sasha does, and that makes it easier for Sasha to get the leg up there. Also, Emily has better speed that Sasha. I'll take Emily's spiral over Sasha's any day.chuckm said:
Maybe you prefer Emily's spiral, but the judges don't.
At Torino, Cohen's spirals in both SP and FS were level4, and she received +2 and +3 GOEs, 5.4 points per spiral. Emily's SP spiral was level4 with +1 GOEs (4.4 points), and in the FS, her spiral was level3, +1 GOE (3.4 points).
At Worlds, Cohen's spirals in both SP and FS were level4, +2-3 GOE, 5.69 and 5.4 points. Emilys were level3, GOE 0 to +1, 3.53 points each.
At Torino, Cohen's spirals in both SP and FS were level4, and she received +2 and +3 GOEs, 5.4 points per spiral. Emily's SP spiral was level4 with +1 GOEs (4.4 points), and in the FS, her spiral was level3, +1 GOE (3.4 points).
At Worlds, Cohen's spirals in both SP and FS were level4, +2-3 GOE, 5.69 and 5.4 points. Emilys were level3, GOE 0 to +1, 3.53 points each.
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dancindiva03 said:
But where in the rules does it sy that the body must not be opened up??
The only rule in figure skating (remember this isn't dance or ballet) is that a sprial position is one where the free leg is at or above hip height. End of definition.
Ant
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If the free leg is bent in a spiral, it could be considered and attitude but it has to look pretty. Not easy on skates. The layback is the easiest for attitudes.
Joe
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I think that Emily's spiral does not match up to Sasha's or Michele at all. Yes, her leg is up straight and high but the upper body being so close to the ice is terrible. It just doesn't look right. I think most posters are just saying that she needs to arch her back more. She does have something to work with though and I think that she can improve it. I have to say that I would watch Sasha's or Michele's anyday over hers. They just have a way of making it look that much more natural and not an effort to do.
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I like Emily's spiral.
