Who has the best Beilmann of the current attempts?

CDMM1991 · Mar 29, 2006

So we all know that we see way too many beilmann "attempts" but of the current crop of skaters who does the best one?

Kasey · Mar 30, 2006

Was a toss-up between Arakawa and Czisny....but finally had to vote for Czisny after seeing her live a few times!

anything_for_skating · Mar 30, 2006

Irina, for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But just one question: why did you put that picture of her? there are better photos for sure

Tonichelle · Apr 5, 2006

Sasha's, thankfully, has been getting much better, but she still has too much knee in her "free" leg

I voted for Emily's... loved it at nationals

dancindiva03 · Apr 5, 2006

I'm stuck between Alissa and Emily. I think Alissa's might be slightly better looking just because she has longer legs, it gives the move a very graceful and elegant look.

SeaniBu · Apr 12, 2006

Irina, not because of position but the way she forms the position. Her skate seems to be "thrown" and how the leg is raised - out standing. The others have a up and down of the leg / knee that is fine but not as fluid in the formation. Alissa second in form and position. Mao still looks ..... I don't know how to say it .... peculiar?

slutskayafan21 · Apr 13, 2006

Czisny first, with Slutskaya runner up. No way would it be Asada, she does not even do it properly, she twists her leg diagonaly rather than holding it straight back. Cohen and Arakawa barely do one turn in the Biellman position when they try it.

Penny · Apr 13, 2006

Emily. Just look at the pictures.

passion · Apr 14, 2006

Well, any of the skaters who grabbed their wrist instead of their skate means they don't have enough shoulder flexibility, so they are out.

I think Alissa. I think she has the most back flexibility than any other skater (hence, her gorgeous layback spin). But when I first saw Alissa doing a Bielmann in a competition it was absolutely breathtaking. I never felt that way about any other skater when I watched their Bielmann.

BTW, is Mao Asada really that skinny?!!!!

SeaniBu · Apr 14, 2006

This was hard to decide, but I am "sticking to my guns." Watched the Olys vids last night, and I will still say IRINA!!!!!

Mainly because this was not a question of who has the best position, can't argue with Alissa (still weird to me that she has that spelling, (only because a girl I dated in JR high used the same spelling but pronunciation was a•lees•a - probably because she was a gymnast weirdo) just as good as Denise's in position / shape. But Irina uses and forms it so well, like "out of the blue" just to top off a spin, wham there it is. Also her axis doesn't float around - "spins on a dime." Not to say it wasn't one after the other in excess. But never the less - effortless and as good as her body will allow.

The way she does it is superior, but the "shape" is in the top 5.

Lonewolf · Apr 18, 2006

I could not vote for Irina, because she does way too many of them. In addition, I have never really liked the way she does them. I wanted to vote for Sasha, but in the end, I had to vote for Alissa because her beilmann is better.

CDMM1991 · Apr 18, 2006

passion said:
Well, any of the skaters who grabbed their wrist instead of their skate means they don't have enough shoulder flexibility, so they are out.

I think Alissa. I think she has the most back flexibility than any other skater (hence, her gorgeous layback spin). But when I first saw Alissa doing a Bielmann in a competition it was absolutely breathtaking. I never felt that way about any other skater when I watched their Bielmann.

BTW, is Mao Asada really that skinny?!!!!

The picture of Mao was from a few years ago I think, so she might only be 11 or 12.

passion · Apr 19, 2006

CDMM1991 said:
The picture of Mao was from a few years ago I think, so she might only be 11 or 12.

Thank goodness! Otherwise, I would say that she needs to eat more and not spend so much time spinning! (If she was 16 in that pic). I am a big supporter of healthy eating!

Stars on Ice · Apr 19, 2006

I think definetly IRINA!! She's so precise!

SeaniBu · Apr 20, 2006

OH, Stars on Ice. LOVE the pic. That is one of my prized pics in my files - far left.

Welcome, although I am sure Mathman has already said it.

Just watched the SP from the Oly's and Emmie's was really good! I mean fantastic!!!! I still like the way Irina forms and releases, yet the actual shape is not as "perfect" as other's "shape. Wow Emmie's SP Beillmann was good though.

evenstar · Apr 20, 2006

I chose Allisa's, I think her's looks most like the original. (Denise Beillmann)

Stars on Ice · Apr 20, 2006

seanibu said:
OH, Stars on Ice. LOVE the pic. That is one of my prized pics in my files - far left.

Thanks for the kudos! I made it myself! ; )

Also, to anyone who did not properly capture Irina's excellence in that not-so-good pic, here are two more!

Better pics, eh?

SeaniBu · Apr 20, 2006

Much better then the bias one - yet a fair comparison - posted!:yes: And on the same note, I think the way she forms it fits the WHOLE aspect of a Biellmann, and although she MAY over use it there is something to be said for a skater that can do that so many times being a little harder the once or twice in a routine.
I do have to agree with the majority on the position of the others (Alissa and Emmie) being better these days, but I think that is manly because of age. The whole thread is based on "current attempts" (how current is that pic anyway?). But for fun here's a few from then to now - giving a little more fair age similarity - but that wasn't what the tread was though. :eek:

hwell:

http://www.hwbhost.com/images/irenatimelessbiel.jpg
http://www.hwbhost.com/images/irinabiecr.jpg
http://www.hwbhost.com/images/irinabluebiel.jpg

http://www.hwbhost.com/images/irinarussbiel.jpg
http://www.hwbhost.com/images/irinatinkerbellebiel.jpg
http://www.hwbhost.com/images/irinatuxbiel.jpg

These are from Red dog's unselfish sharing and are HR - I couldn't bring it to myself to reduce them so they would fit - but they are current.:yes:
http://www.hwbhost.com/images/irina2006rdogbiel.jpg
http://www.hwbhost.com/images/irinaswinterfromrdog.jpg

Stars on Ice · Apr 20, 2006

Wow! That's a lot of fantastic pics! While I was surfing the web I just found some more...and I guess I'm allowed to share them...

It's one of the most RECENT. ^ (Up there)

isn't she just amazing?? ^

Vash01 · Apr 21, 2006

Thanks for posting so many pics of Irina!

I gave Irina 'extra credit' for being the only person who can do the Biellman on both sides.

Vash

Who has the best Beilmann of the current attempts?

Who does the best Biellmann?

Alissa Czisny- [url]http://www.figureskatersonline.com/alissaczisny/photos/05nats/Alyssa7.jpg[/url]

Mao Asada- [url]http://fellows.freespace.jp/skatingbb/04nkfan/03alljpn/mao4.JPG[/url]

Irina Slutskaya- [url]http://www.interq.or.jp/venus/toshiko/nagano/n-sul/sul1.gif[/url]

Emily Hughes- [url]http://images.google.ca/images?q=tbn:unVGSee7OJMgFM:www.skateforthecure.com[/url]

Sasha Cohen- [url]http://www.newsobserver.com/media/2006/01/15/reg-1154229-720054.embedded.jpg[/url]

Shizuka Arakawa- [url]http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/image/2006/02/22turin.jpg[/url]

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CDMM1991

Kasey

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Tonichelle

Idita-Rock-n-Roll

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SeaniBu

slutskayafan21

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Penny

passion

SeaniBu

Lonewolf

CDMM1991

passion

Stars on Ice

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