Plushenko's Sitspin.

Joesitz (RIP) · Apr 13, 2006

You guessed it, it's nitpick time.

Evegeni when he executes a sitspin, he bends his skating leg so that he is a quarter of the way down. He then crosses over his free leg to just below the knee of the skating leg and thrusts his fanny out.

One sits on his fanny and in a sitspin goes all the way down to that. I contend that Plushenko does not have a sitspin in his technical accomplishments.

Am I correct?

Joe

76olympics · Apr 13, 2006

Joe, do you know any skater who has the straight back in a sitspin that Dick Button is always looking for? It seems that the nature of the spin causes a hunched back with most of the skaters.

SusanBeth · Apr 13, 2006

76olympics said:
Joe, do you know any skater who has the straight back in a sitspin that Dick Button is always looking for? It seems that the nature of the spin causes a hunched back with most of the skaters.

Dorothy Hamill :love:

76olympics · Apr 13, 2006

Dorothy! My favorite! (see my screen name!). Thanks, SusanBeth, for reminding me! (I think I was stuck thinking about the men). Dorothy's layback is to die for too.

antmanb · Apr 13, 2006

Joesitz said:
You guessed it, it's nitpick time.

Evegeni when he executes a sitspin, he bends his skating leg so that he is a quarter of the way down. He then crosses over his free leg to just below the knee of the skating leg and thrusts his fanny out.

One sits on his fanny and in a sitspin goes all the way down to that. I contend that Plushenko does not have a sitspin in his technical accomplishments.

Am I correct?

Joe

Yes absolutely, totally and utterly agree with you! :agree:

Ant

antmanb · Apr 13, 2006

76olympics said:
Joe, do you know any skater who has the straight back in a sitspin that Dick Button is always looking for? It seems that the nature of the spin causes a hunched back with most of the skaters.

Which made me think - did Dick BUtton ever have a straight back? I've read and been told that its acceptable to round the shoulders slightly if you are getting into the all-the-way-down-you-bottom's-a-mere-inch-off-the-ice position.

Ant

Joesitz (RIP) · Apr 13, 2006

76olympics said:
Joe, do you know any skater who has the straight back in a sitspin that Dick Button is always looking for? It seems that the nature of the spin causes a hunched back with most of the skaters.

It's not the straight back I look for. I lookd for a sitspin that goes all the way down the way Jackson Haines invented it.

Lots and Lots of skaters do traditional sitspins. Michael Weiss has a terrific sitspin, Johhny Weir, Evan, Lysacek, even Stephane Lambiel when he's not too busy doing his thing. Many others, too. All these skaters with traditional sitspins have fanny almost scraping the ice. I have never seen Plush do one. I would have said the same about Yags but I did see him do one.

Going all the way down uses a lot of energy and strategy skaters do the half sits or in Plush's case the quarter sits. This saves energy. The level of sitspin should be 4 and skaters would be more aware of that.

The knee bent half way should have another name.

Joe

Mathman · Apr 13, 2006

Joe, is this good, for a lady? Or should she be even farther down.

http://heatherw.com/mk/pics/rach/wsh_sit.jpg

76olympics · Apr 13, 2006

I guess I am not on the COP wavelength because I just LOVE the blurred fast scratch spins a la Paul Wylie (or even Todd Eldredge though I like Paul's better). Noone does these anymore because they don't garner the points that twenty-three tortuous positions in one spin do. ( a little off the topic of sitspins, but still spin related!).

sk8m8 · Apr 13, 2006

Todd Eldridge is an excellent example of someone with a great sit spin. His back is aligned and he gets good extension on the free leg. I agree that Plushy's sit spins are not his greatest strength. Likewise, Oda has beautiful skating skills and executes his sit spin without fully reaching the ice or achieving a "sit" position.

CB1AB2 · Apr 13, 2006

I think that Todd has the best sit spin = he gets down really low to the ice

MsLutzy · Apr 13, 2006

What about Kimmie's? Are her's good? I remember once a commentator (not sure if it was Dick) commented that she had a nice straight back in her sit spins, especially her back sit.

Vash01 · Apr 14, 2006

76olympics said:
Joe, do you know any skater who has the straight back in a sitspin that Dick Button is always looking for? It seems that the nature of the spin causes a hunched back with most of the skaters.

Anton Sikharulidze! Even Dick Button praised his back ("best back in all of skating")

Vash

Vash01 · Apr 14, 2006

76olympics said:
Dorothy! My favorite! (see my screen name!). Thanks, SusanBeth, for reminding me! (I think I was stuck thinking about the men). Dorothy's layback is to die for too.

So were her spiral and scratch spin, and of course the Hamill Camel. Everything she did was beautiful and simple. There were no gimmicks. She is an example of "Greatness in simplicity".

Vash

Joesitz (RIP) · Apr 14, 2006

Mathman said:
Joe, is this good, for a lady? Or should she be even farther down.

http://heatherw.com/mk/pics/rach/wsh_sit.jpg

Yes, MM, it'll do but there are better.

Spun Silver · Apr 15, 2006

I'm not a skater and this kind of thread is very helpful. I THOUGHT Plushenko's sitspins looked inadequate because they weren't far down enough. I like the hunched back look but the height is another thing altogether. It just looks so much easier to spin from a little tea-party sit than a full sit. Are skaters deducted for this, and if not, why not?

Jasper · Apr 15, 2006

You're right, Plushenko's sit is technically very poor. He doesn't get nearly low enough. But, since he's Evgeni Plushenko, no one seems to mind of course! I've never even heard the critical Dick Button mention that flaw in Plushenko's arsenal.

Jasper · Apr 15, 2006

Spun Silver said:
I'm not a skater and this kind of thread is very helpful. I THOUGHT Plushenko's sitspins looked inadequate because they weren't far down enough. I like the hunched back look but the height is another thing altogether. It just looks so much easier to spin from a little tea-party sit than a full sit. Are skaters deducted for this, and if not, why not?

Skaters should be deducted for this. But not him. He gets positive GOE on his spins. Why? Because he's Evgeni Plushenko.

slutskayafan21 · Apr 15, 2006

According to the judges Plushenko and Lysacek are the two best spinners in the World, and Buttle and Lambiel are average spinners. Ugly spins, that travel all over the place, and are super low, are better spins than fast spins, with excellent positions that are centred. Or maybe Russian or American spins are the best spins, whether they are fast or slow, travel or centred, or ugly or stretched.

goldberry99 · Apr 17, 2006

If I remember correctly, didn't Tara have a good sit spin? She was tiny and got all the way down and I remember her free leg being horizontal to the ice, and I don't think she was hunched over that much.

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