View Poll Results: Best women jumper of all time?

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  • Midori Ito

    137 56.85%
  • Tonya Harding

    13 5.39%
  • Irina Slutskaya

    22 9.13%
  • Mao Asada

    24 9.96%
  • Surya Bonaly

    7 2.90%
  • Miki Ando

    6 2.49%
  • Petra Burka

    0 0%
  • Tara Lipinski

    9 3.73%
  • Denise Biellman

    4 1.66%
  • other

    19 7.88%
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsteam4501s
    Even Peggy Fleming has said that Kimmie's triple axle is the most awesome and beautiful she has ever seen. And you KNOW that she saw both Harding and Ito's triple axle.
    Peggy likes to hype up the ladies that she thinks are the next big thing. It's human nature for a commentator to do so, so people take her (or Button, Hamilton, Browning, etc) as gospel...

    it was an amazing one to watch, when she hit it... not trying to take anything away from Kim(mie) just saying that just because Peggy's "been there, and seen it all" doesn't mean she's not just doing her job to hype the skaters that are skating NOW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman
    Does Kimmie still have the triple Axel in her repertoire? I think it has been more than a year since she has landed one.

    If it's consistencey over a long career that counts most, I think Michelle has done 11 triple-triples and also 11 seven triple programs in major competitions. I don't know how this stacks up against others on the all-time list (?)
    Are you not counting the one at the Oly 06, there was a cleaner in practice yet the on in program counted. Seani confused?

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    If it's just a matter of triple axels, heck, Nakano should be on here as well.

    Kimmie did ONE arguably cheated triple axel and suddenly became the second coming of Axel Paulson himself....SIGH.

    Overall quality and consistancy of jumps, Ito....and Harding did have awesome jumps as well when she was "on", without the hideous telegraphing of Bonaly.

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    Tara? No way!

    Tara Lipinski? :chorus:
    I like her, but, please...no, her jumps...no way...

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    P.S. I LOVE Caro's jumps! And Susanna Poykio's. Gedevanishvili has great power to do big combos, but she is young so we'll see

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsteam4501s
    If this is a poll to name the skater who accomplished specific milestones in jumping, then certainly Ito and Harding belong at or near the top. However, Harding did a successful triple axle only once - and Ito never did 7 SUCCESSFUL triples in one program, nor did she ever do two 3-3s in one program.

    If you do just an actual COUNT, I believe you will find that Kimmie Meissner has successfully landed more triple jumps AND more triple-triple combinations over the past 2 seasons than any previous skater EVER did over a two-season period.

    Even Peggy Fleming has said that Kimmie's triple axle is the most awesome and beautiful she has ever seen. And you KNOW that she saw both Harding and Ito's triple axle.

    When all is said and done, the greatest jumper will be the MOST CONSISTENT jumper. If Kimmie does just TWO MORE successful triple axles and keeps doing triple-triples on a regular basis, she will eventually be considered the greatest jumper ever.
    Are you KIDDING?????? Ito never did a 7 triple LP? She was the FIRST to do a 7 triple LP. First in my memory is 1984 Skate Canada. Also 1987 NHK, 1988 Olys, 1988 Nationals, 1989 Worlds, 1989 NHK.....etc etc etc. She's landed more triple axels in competition than any other woman. She was teh first to do it, the first to do a triple triple combo aged 12. She had all the triples through lutz aged 12, she first landed the triple axel aged 14 - there's footage of her landing them in 1984.

    And with regards to 2 3-3's in a LP she didn't have to. But she was capable of at least 4 different triple triples - 3l3l, 3lz3t, 3t3t, 3x3t.

    And if you believe everything Peggy Fleming says then you really must be gullible. Sorry but that post was soooo uninformed it's ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floskate
    Are you KIDDING?????? Ito never did a 7 triple LP? She was the FIRST to do a 7 triple LP. First in my memory is 1984 Skate Canada. Also 1987 NHK, 1988 Olys, 1988 Nationals, 1989 Worlds, 1989 NHK.....etc etc etc. She's landed more triple axels in competition than any other woman. She was teh first to do it, the first to do a triple triple combo aged 12. She had all the triples through lutz aged 12, she first landed the triple axel aged 14 - there's footage of her landing them in 1984.

    And with regards to 2 3-3's in a LP she didn't have to. But she was capable of at least 4 different triple triples - 3l3l, 3lz3t, 3t3t, 3x3t.

    And if you believe everything Peggy Fleming says then you really must be gullible. Sorry but that post was soooo uninformed it's ridiculous.
    In addition to all these jumps, Ito also landed a clean 3axel-double toe combination. She was capable of doing jumps that would have beaten the men of her era.

    Sometimes Peggy goes overboard praising a skater she likes at a certain moment; she forgets all about skaters in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seanibu
    Are you not counting the one at the Oly 06, there was a cleaner in practice yet the one in program counted. Seani confused?
    I don't remember a triple Axel attempt by Kimmie or anyone else at the 2006 Olympics (?) According to the judges protocols, in the short Kimmie did 3Lz+3T, 3F and 2A, and in the long she did 2F+2T, 2A, 3Lz+2T, 3Lo, 3Lz, 3S, 2A+2T.

    IIRC, in the practices the ladies were doing so badly on their jumps that Arakawa's team felt it was safe to take out her planned triple-triples.

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    wasn't the only 3 axel that made news Rena and John? I don't remember a lady doing a 3a at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by floskate
    And if you believe everything Peggy Fleming says then you really must be gullible. Sorry but that post was soooo uninformed it's ridiculous.
    Well, now tell me - Can I really be considered "gullible" if I believe the admiration stated by Peggy Fleming, who is after all a WOMAN with years and years of experience in skating and observing skating, over a couple of posters here who are admittedly not admirers of Kimmie Meissner anyway?

    In addition - I am not really so "uninformed" as you think - I am 64 and have seen just about EVERY great or lousy female skater since 1956 - and when an authority such as Peggy Fleming has high praise for a particular skater's triple axle I am going to give her the benefit of any doubt BEFORE I take YOUR word for it that she is just "caught up in the moments of a new star".

    Do you understand THAT?

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    My apologies, however, for shortchanging the numbers for Ito and Harding. I guess what I meant to say is that Ito never again skated well in Worlds or Olympics after she won '89 Worlds, and Harding never again landed a triple axle in Worlds or Olympics after the one she hit at '91 Nationals.

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    I voted Irina.

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    Although I voted for Ito, atleast I think I did, and am not at all surprised she has a huge lead as the best women jumper of all time, one thing I didnt like about her jumps was a wrapped free leg. Her jumps were amazing and still the best ever IMO even with this attribute, but I still wish she did not have the wrapped free leg on her jumps.

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    So happy Irina is second so far even without my vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsteam4501s
    I guess what I meant to say is that Ito never again skated well in Worlds or Olympics after she won '89 Worlds
    Um -- Ito won both the short and long progams at the '90 Worlds; the reason she didn't win the whole thing was because she was 10th in the figures. '91 is when the problems started.

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