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    What I am looking forward to at the 2007 Worlds!

    I look forward to Lambiel defending his World title, Meissner losing her World title, Pang/Tong defeating the Zhangs for a second straight Worlds, and Belbin/Agosto winning their first World title.

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    I'm looking for great consistent skating from all contestants and that the judging is on the up and up and whoever wins is ok for me regardless of the silly nationality passion.

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    I'm agree with Slutskayafan, except about Belbin/Agosto.
    The title will possibly win by Dubreuil/Lauzon , Denkova/Stav in the 2nd place.
    Belbin/Agosto's maximum theoretically will be 2nd, but most possibly 3rd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdeal
    I'm agree with Slutskayafan, except about Belbin/Agosto.
    The title will possibly win by Dubreuil/Lauzon , Denkova/Stav in the 2nd place.
    Belbin/Agosto's maximum theoretically will be 2nd, but most possibly 3rd.
    Are teams like Dubreuil/Lauzon, Denkova/Stavinski, Delobel/Schoenfelder, or Drobiazko/Vanagas even staying in the game for next season or beyond?

    My guess was that only Delobel/Schoenfelder of that group would be back next year.

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    Golds:
    Delobel/Schoenfelder
    Carolina Kostner
    Stephane Lambiel
    hmmm....pairs...Russian pair, whoever

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    So Kostner will get herself back on track? Personaly I think the 2005 Worlds will be her career highlight forever, along with her Euro medal this past year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slutskayafan21
    I look forward to Lambiel defending his World title, Meissner losing her World title, Pang/Tong defeating the Zhangs for a second straight Worlds, and Belbin/Agosto winning their first World title.
    I don't look forward to anyone LOSING a World title. I think that is the worst kind of karma.



    I am not sure that Denkova/Staviiski are going to compete at Worlds 2007. They haven't definitely said they are or are not. And neither Den/Sta or Dubreuil/Lauzon are assured of a placement on the World podium, any more than Belbin/Agosto are. Ice Dancing judges are fickle.

    The OD for next season is the tango. Sorry, Joesitz.
    Last edited by chuckm; 06-10-2006 at 08:45 AM.

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    That's ok, Chuckum, the Tango has an interesting history which I won't go into right now. It comes from the Spanish Bolero, if I remember correctly which went to Paris and became the Tango, then refined in Italy and all those Italian immigrants to Argentina made it their national dance. It's more European dance than a Cuban or Brazilian dance. If you've ever been to Buenos Aires, you will see it is completely a European city-nothing at all like the rest of Latin America.

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    Obviously- and it's quite useless to say that- all of us Carolina's fans and Italians in general are looking forward for another World medal..I really think that if she learns to handle the pressure (which is quite difficult actually) she can do it and she has a real chance.
    Anyways I don't know if Cohen will finally get her gold medal (I hope so) but I don't think Meissner will be world champion again, unless whe develops her artistic style.

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    I could understand Carolina's extreme nervousness skating at home, and felt bad for her performances in Torino. But I did not understand why she did not skate better in Calgary. She skated so well at Europeans, and similar performances would have placed her in the top 5, but instead she skated even more poorly than she did in Torino, and finished well out of the top 10.

    I hope she can snap out of whatever funk she is in and skate the performances she's shown she is capable of. However, her 2005 Worlds performances won't earn her a place on the 2007 podium, not with Asada, Kim and Meissner landing 3As and 3/3s consistently. Carolina will have to up her game considerably to be competitive.

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    Personally, I've never gotten on the Carolina bandwagon. Breaking it all down, I admit, she is probably the fastest skater today for the first 2.5 minutes but then it slows down. She has the air rotations for triples and maybe a quad, but does she execute them properaly 7 out of 10 times? I don't think so. Her spins are more than adequate but nothing special, footwork is not her strongest element.

    Maybe, when the nerves are controlled, I will see what others see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm
    I don't look forward to anyone LOSING a World title. I think that is the worst kind of karma.

    I am not sure that Denkova/Staviiski are going to compete at Worlds 2007. They haven't definitely said they are or are not. And neither Den/Sta or Dubreuil/Lauzon are assured of a placement on the World podium, any more than Belbin/Agosto are. Ice Dancing judges are fickle.

    The OD for next season is the tango. Sorry, Joesitz.
    I also thought it was extremely tacky to hope for Meissner losing her World title. I, for one, would love to see her successfully defend it. I'd also dearly love to see Johnny Weir prove all his detractors wrong by standing on top of the World podium with 3 clean skates with quads.

    About the ice dancers: apparently Dubreuil/Lauzon are now saying they'll be staying in through to Vancouver Olympics (they will be 35 and 34). I wonder if that will still be the case if, given quirky ice dance judging, they finish off the podium in 2007. That happened to Denkova/Staviiski: they won silver in 2004 but were 5th in 2005.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm
    Ice Dancing judges are fickle.
    Actually I find that comment a bit interesting. I have always found of all 4 events ice dancing judges over the years have been the most predictable of all. Look at how many times podiums stayed very close to the same for an entire quadrennial. For many years it seemed once you were established somewhere among the upper ranks(eg-top 5 or 6), it took an injury layoff to change who you were over and under by more then 1 team per 2 years. Under the new COP ice dancing is only starting to catch up to the other 4 events as far as judges allowing some competiveness, and an element of uncertainty.

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    Under CoP, ice dancing judges are fickle. As noted by George Rossano, the scores at Torino provided plenty of evidence of judges playing the politics card, and now they can do it without direct scrutiny.

    I tend to believe that what helped D/L to win a World medal this year was (in no particular order) their romantic FD, sympathy for their horrible fall in Torino, their previous announcement that 2005-2006 was their last season, and the fact that Worlds 2006 was held in Canada. Anyone who thinks that D/L are assured of a podium placement in 2007 should remember that ice dance judges are capable of raising and dropping teams without notice.

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    I never said Dubreuil/Lauzon were ensured of a podium placement in 2007 if they competed.

    I do disagree on sympathy or sentimental factors, or being in Canada, being reasons for their medal at the 2006 Worlds. Their results all year would indicate that in a field missing both Navka/Kostamarov and Delobel/Schoenfelder they were serious medal threats, and quite a good bet to win a medal of some color at Worlds vs the field present. At the GP final, they were 3rd overall, and close to 2nd overall, and 2nd in the free dance, in a field missing Belbin/Agosto and Denkova/Stayvinski, so really a comparable quality field to the Worlds field missing both the top Russians and Ukranians. They had regularly beaten Delobel/ Schoenfelder all year. Drobiazko/Vanagas did not even finish in the top 6 in Turin, whether or not Dubreuil/Lauzon would have medaled in Turin, they certainly appeared to be on route to a higher finish then that there. So them placing in the top 3 at Worlds is no surprise when one looks at their season, and the field present.
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