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    I'm not sure if this is the kind of "judging error" that this thread was intended to address, but another one I didn't like was the judge who issued the injunction that let Tonya Harding go to the '94 Olys, instead of Michelle Kwan. IMO, going to the Olys is a privilege, not a right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman
    Hey Z, if you don't like ice dancing you're missing half the fun of skating, and about ninety per cent of the judging controversies. Plus the lion's share of the gossip.

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    That's alright I don't need gossip. I just like great skating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuranthium
    From now on, there shall be no more talking about ice dancing or pairs skating in threads I create. That's how much I don't care. Okay?

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    I wish there was that kind of control, but let's face it it is everybody's thread after it is posted.

    Quote Originally Posted by ElvisStojkofan
    For me the biggest judging error was for the 2006 Olympic ladies long program scores, specially Fumie Suguri scores.
    There had been talk about that in the thread earlier, and it doesn't apear that it would have changed the standings, bummer Those were two great proformances, notable her pres in the SP - Love that smile half way through. But the LP had a prob with a double loop (I think)that looked kinda damaging with out the other elemnts that the competition had she didn't in her's. It is kinda funny that her Bielmanns - if they classify as such - only had 2-3 rotations, I don't think that counts as anything but a trans move??? I don't think!! Maybe that is just a "catch foot move? But the possition of her hand under her chin was gorgious!

    Anyone feel free to correct me if I am wrong - please. And if I need to start figuring out which abbreviations to use to make since to every one you can tell me where to go - oooh that is a loaded comment - to find out how to use them properly.

    ElvisStojkofan, I went to your site and didn't see anything about Fumie??? Good info on Elvis, who in the heck could beat that guy at Karate - Mr Mieggi? Way to get sivler ES!!! Definitely fits the "stud" category!
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    ElvisStojkofan, I went to your site and didn't see anything about Fumie??? Good info on Elvis, who in the heck could beat that guy at Karate - Mr Mieggi? Way to get sivler ES!!! Definitely fits the "stud" category!

    Maybe when I have more time I'll add something about her. I can't wait to see her this new skating season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuranthium
    That's alright I don't need gossip. I just like great skating.
    Then why are you watching Ladies'? (Especially these days--neither great nor even interesting. Wake me up when one of them does something original.)

    Seriously, though, welcome to the internet--starting a thread doesn't guarantee control over topic drift. No one cares you don't care. Especially since when it comes to questionable judging, Pairs and Ice Dance are kinda the place to be.

    Incidentaly--ITA with tdnuva. Ice dancing isn't speed skating or freestyle, come to that. While speed and 'attack' can be important, flow is more so. Also quality of edges and lines and the ability to skate very close together while doing intricate footwork. My placings would have been Usova/Zhulin, Torvill/Dean, and Grishuk/Platov.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElvisStojkofan
    Maybe when I have more time I'll add something about her. I can't wait to see her this new skating season.
    I hope Lori is "aloud" or feels it necessary to "westernize" her choreography, yet I want the "Asian Lady" to stay prevalent as well. I guess score better in pres, connect to audiences and still make me happy - I am so torn

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    Quote Originally Posted by julietvalcouer
    Seriously, though, welcome to the internet--starting a thread doesn't guarantee control over topic drift.
    Ummm, DUH? My post was not serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01
    IMO the biggest judging error was at the 2006 Olympics, with Zhang & Zhang winning a silver over the other two Chinese pairs, when they should have been either disqualified or should have received a HUGE deduction for their time off the ice.

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    Not only that but their PCS were the highest they had received all year, and even forgetting the delaly to suggest that was their best performance to that program all year is ludricious, and their PCS was virtualy tied with Pang/Tong's far more musical and flowing performance. Obviously the Zhangs would be tenative and mechanical after returning to their program, who wouldnt be after the collsion, but their PCS certainly did not reflect that, their step out of the final throw was only graded a total of -1.00, it should have been a -2.00 since she didnt hang onto her landing edge for even a second, alot of the lifts near the end barely got around and got +GOE as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DORISPULASKI
    Blumberg and Seibert were badly underscored at the 1984 Olympics. They skated all their programs beautifully, but one judge decided singlehandedly and with no warning at all that their Scherazade music was not suitable for ice dance. No judge had complained about this all season, and suddenly at the Olympics they ended up off the podium because of it. Oddly, they placed 3rd at 1984 Worlds with a flawed free dance.
    I agree with this. I read about the "problem" one of the judges had with their music. At the time, I couldn't for the life of me figure out how they lost to the Russians. Of course I was only starting to watch skating seriously at that time and didn't know about the goshdarned politicks...



    Tim Wood, 1968 Olympics. He lost 5/4, but one judge had the wrong score held up, something crazed like 0.6 instead of 6.0. The judge tried to change it, but it was not allowed.
    I haven't had the chance to see all of his performance ( I hope to someday!) but I've read a lot about this and think that this was definitely a situation which called for a review and probably an overturning of the original score!

    FP/M should definitely not have won the CD at the 2006 Olympics, just for Maurizio's bad leg line alone.
    I definitely agree with that - they had perhaps the "spirit" of the dance above the waist, but looking at the leg lines, well - they should have been behind several other teams, not in first place after the CD.

    Another error in judging I felt was when Denise Biellman was placed too low in figures to be able to catch up and win a medal (at least) in 1980. IMO, she was way ahead of the rest of the field - and even ahead of her time, I'd say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by julietvalcouer
    Then why are you watching Ladies'? (Especially these days--neither great nor even interesting. Wake me up when one of them does something original.)

    Seriously, though, welcome to the internet--starting a thread doesn't guarantee control over topic drift. No one cares you don't care. Especially since when it comes to questionable judging, Pairs and Ice Dance are kinda the place to be.

    Incidentaly--ITA with tdnuva. Ice dancing isn't speed skating or freestyle, come to that. While speed and 'attack' can be important, flow is more so. Also quality of edges and lines and the ability to skate very close together while doing intricate footwork. My placings would have been Usova/Zhulin, Torvill/Dean, and Grishuk/Platov.
    Grishuk & Platov also had beautiful flow as well. Look at their Starlight Waltz CD that year and other dances they did throughout their career. I thought their FD in 1994 was also skated with amazing flow in addition to speed and attack because although it was very fast and skated at break-neck speed, there was no jostling for position and they always skated with a pointed toe. And they also had amazing edges and abilities to skate close together while doing intricate footwork. If you look beyond those few times of illegal separations (yes, they did some other stuff as well in that program), you'll see some amazingly difficult footwork. Many people seem to think that Grishuk & Platov only excelled at speed but IMO, they were the total package. They had tremendous speed and attack coupled with beautiful posture, line, pointed toes, fluidity, edges, and technique. I think that helped them with their versatility because they could do any type of dance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElvisStojkofan
    Maybe when I have more time I'll add something about her. I can't wait to see her this new skating season.
    I said a while back about Lori having some freedom or need to westernize, and now that I have been watching what Nicoles and Carroll did with MK in 95, I wonder if Lori is just missing getting more of Frank's influence.

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