Joesitz said:Are you prepared to watch 45 Short Programs which count in points for the gold medal? If Buttle skates first in the SP and Weir skates forty-fifth in the SP, which skater will be remembered more? What happens if Buttle is placed in the third group to skate the LP?
Although I did not like the use of two separate judging panels because points are very subjective, the QR offered some sort of seeding for the SP which in turn offered seeding for the LP.
Without the QR, I think some sort of seeding will be needed for the SP.
Joe
Nothing wrong with the good skaters skating first and poorer skaters skating last, or better stil a complete mix all through the SP. If you believe in the finances of skating, and I believe you do, then how does the crew film the 10 best who are scattered about for a show before the LP? I think the editing of the SP would have to wait a few months for ESPN to use it.Mathman said:What's wrong with the good skaters having to take their chances in the Short Program right along with the bad skaters? The only thing that would be unfair is to stack the deck. That is, to "seed" certain skaters because of past accomplishments, while the poor newcomers have to scramble as best they can.
If Lambiel skates first and Buttle skates last, that's life. Is that any more unfair than to have Berntsson skate first and Voronov skate last?
ITA, except for the "up his sleeve" part. I think it's a patch on the outside.Mathman said:Actually, I think Speedy might have an ace up his sleeve here.
One of the big things that Mr. Cinquanta would like to accomplish is to establish the Grand Prix series as a big deal -- sort of the "regular season" of figure skating, with Europeans, Four Continents and Worlds as the playoffs. He has been irate when top skaters have blown off the GP (and Four Continents), and has been disappointed that the Grand Prix events lost a good part of its television coverage and audience appeal.
If he could push through the idea of using the ISU rankings for seeding the Worlds SP, this would put greater emphasis on the Grand Prix and would penalize skaters that skipped it.
hockeyfan228 said:ITA, except for the "up his sleeve" part. I think it's a patch on the outside.
Lanie - There is no problem here. Everyone agrees to dropping the QR. The QR seeds were based on the last World's results and broken into two groups (A&B) Each group had its own judges (not good, and even moreso in CoP). The results of the two groups were the basis for seeding the SP.Lanie said:Here's the article I mentioned: http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/20060629-1655-fig-isucongress.html
Mathman said:Next to last group:
Meissner
Onda
Kim
Kostner
Nakano
Cohen
euterpe said:You can't use the current ISU Rankings because they don't have the points from the 2006-2007 GP events, Europeans and 4CC added in, and those points would be there before Worlds.
Mathman said:One of the big things that Mr. Cinquanta would like to accomplish is to establish the Grand Prix series as a big deal -- sort of the "regular season" of figure skating, with Europeans, Four Continents and Worlds as the playoffs. He has been irate when top skaters have blown off the GP (and Four Continents), and has been disappointed that the Grand Prix events lost a good part of its television coverage and audience appeal.
Well Plushenko is #6 in rankings despite only doing 1 GP in the last season. Belbin & Agosto are #5 despite only doing 1 as well.Joesitz said:Those skaters with only one GP are already out of the picture, but in theory a win or podium finish at Worlds is possible even for skaters who are in the first group to skate.
But we are talking big stars here. They get lots of points for medaling in whatever. What about Romanovskaya/Grachev? Nam/Lefteris? Karademir? Young? They will be doing only one GP. Think that will be enough to get high rankings?Ptichka said:Well Plushenko is #6 in rankings despite only doing 1 GP in the last season. Belbin & Agosto are #5 despite only doing 1 as well.
I did forget about those competitions, and I didn't think they would be counted in the scheme of things. Are there others that count? It would be a way of Nam/Lefteris of pulling in a few extra points. Thanks for the reminder.Also, don't forget that competitions such as Nebelhorn also count toward the ranking points. For example, Belbin & Agosto, Savchenko & Szolkowy, Lindenmann, and Sokolova all got the extra 150 ranking points by winning there.
Well, that would be the TV show and just think of that wild and wooly warm up session of twelve skaters on the ice before they begin the competition!gkelly said:Didn't I read somewhere that they might seed the SP groups in groups of 12, not 6? I think it was just speculation, but that would broaden the expectations, that anyone in the last two groups should be considered top 12 with random draw determining which individuals skate later among those two groups.