Calgary Worlds revisited on ESPN2

[chuckm]

Here's how Sasha won the bronze:

Final score = QR + SP + FS
218.33 = 28.46 + 60.17 + 129.70 Kimmie Meissner [2nd QR, 5th SP, 1st FS]
209.74 = 28.47 + 62.12 + 119.15 Fumie Suguri [1st QR, 2nd SP, 2nd FS]
208.88 = 27.59 + 66.62 + 114.67 Sasha Cohen [3rd QR, 1st SP, 4th FS]
202.27 = 24.42 + 60.98 + 116.87 Elena Sokolova [6th QR, 3rd SP, 3rd FS]

Elena was 3.17 points behind Sasha in the QR, and 5.64 points behind Sasha in the SP, for a total of 8.81 points behind. Elena only made up 2.2 points in the FS because Sasha got such high PCS scores.

The interesting thing is that if you take the QR scores out of the equation, Sasha wins the slver medal and Fumie the bronze.

[SeaniBu]

This would be in the assumption that I agree with the scoring - not.

[Joesitz]

One thing that turned my mind around after seeing the Worlds again was Pet and Tik. I have never liked this team from day one, but in Calgary they not only skated their best - they skated better than any other Pairs. A totally clean performance and with enough ammunition, I am sure to satisfy the CoP.

I would also have put Rene and John on the podium for their almost spotless routine. Zhang and Zhang were held up, imo, as they were in Torino.
While I enjoy Pang and Tong very much, they did have too many boo boos in that final skate.

Team to watch in the Future: Dube and Davison.

Joe

[antmanb]

Team to watch in the Future: Dube and Davison.

Joe

Isn't that the truth!!

I first saw them at the olympics and think they look fantastic together - both programs were beautiful and i can't wait ti see what the future holds for them. I seem to recall some vague rumours of a split earlier on teh year after worlds in a thread on here but nothing more ...anyone know they have plans to continue? it would be such a shame if they didn't.

Ant

[R.D.]

Argh. Apparently they showed that Turkish girl (at the beginning) and I missed her...AGAIN!!

[Jhar55]

Forgot it was on miss everything but the ladies.
Sasha just didn't seem to have any fire in her like she really didn't want to be there. Loved her program and dress she should have wore it at the Olympics, seemed to bring out some color in her face the gold dress made her look dull. I still amazed that Kimmie won gold, but she did have the best skate that night and deserved the win.

[R.D.]

Loved her program and dress she should have wore it at the Olympics

IIRC she did...?

[Ravyn Rant]

One thing that turned my mind around after seeing the Worlds again was Pet and Tik. I have never liked this team from day one, but in Calgary they not only skated their best - they skated better than any other Pairs. A totally clean performance and with enough ammunition, I am sure to satisfy the CoP.

I would also have put Rene and John on the podium for their almost spotless routine. Zhang and Zhang were held up, imo, as they were in Torino.
While I enjoy Pang and Tong very much, they did have too many boo boos in that final skate.

Team to watch in the Future: Dube and Davison.

Joe

ITA, and even more so after reviewing the competition last night. Never thought I'd see the day when I'd say this, but the Russians wuz ROBBED. And on the second viewing, I/B made me cry with their performance. (Something else I never thought I'd say.) It was their best skate EVER and they put everything they had on the ice. As much as I admire both Chinese teams, neither of them brought their "A game" to Calgary.
And Dube and Davison were wonderful. Way to move up!
All in all, a much better competition than the Olympics.
Rave

[CDMM1991]

The chemistry that Dube and Davison have on the ice reminds me so much of the same chemistry Sale and Pelletier had in the early years of their relationship that it's scary. And I think there's a very decent chance that Dube and Davison could turn out to be just as successful as Sale and Pelletier as well, if not more successful, because they seem to be very consistent, which is one of my favorite attributes in a performer that I'm going to be a "fan" of. I feel like I can trust them to put it down, I think that's why Michelle has so many fans -- you can trust her to put out her best every time.

[Kwanford Wife]

The chemistry that Dube and Davison have on the ice reminds me so much of the same chemistry Sale and Pelletier had in the early years of their relationship that it's scary. And I think there's a very decent chance that Dube and Davison could turn out to be just as successful as Sale and Pelletier as well, if not more successful, because they seem to be very consistent, which is one of my favorite attributes in a performer that I'm going to be a "fan" of. I feel like I can trust them to put it down, I think that's why Michelle has so many fans -- you can trust her to put out her best every time.

I couldn't agree more... that's all I thought last night watching this team... whatta future these two have... the program was complete, tight, and interesting to watch. Great job!

My other thoughts on last night...

Kimmie - for some reason she reminds me of Maria B. I don't know why and cannot for the life of me figure it out... But she definately earned her win. I cannot wait to see how she progresses.

Emily - She wasn't "on" at Worlds and since I love her attitude on the ice, when its missing I can't enjoy her skating as much... without the smug confidence (which I LOVE!!) she's just not fun to watch and you start nitpicking her skating skills which is too bad because that layback is the whip!

Sasha - I wish she'd fallen on the first jump and gotten it out of her system... all the little mistakes and lack of passion really take away from R&J and that's too bad... I did after her program when she mouthed the f-word after her final bow.... only because that's the first time I ever really felt her pain... I also loved the look she gave Peter C. during that final interview. She should've kicked him in the shin with her skate...

And seriously, what's Peter's deal? He's so nasty and mean, espcially to Sasha. You'd think she stood him up for the Prom the way he goes after her... what an a** .

Fumie - I loved her performance but after reading the other thread on what's missing with her skating, I gotta agree with those who said she needs to point her foot during spins...

JoRo - Unfortunate performance on home ice... but the thing that really bugs me is her music choices... I don't understand why she skates to piano music when you just know that something different would highlight her unique-ness... I'd love to see her skate to Rush... or something more modern. That elevator music just doesn't do her justice...

[SeaniBu]

Tugba doesn't impress me as much now that a poster has corrected my views on Turkish lifestyles. I guess I should have known better from "Midnight Express" and things of the like. Interesting story, but nothing like they drum it up to be, yah, she is a pretty good skater. Good for her and the family. Skippy.

My feelings about Kimmie have not budged one bit. I really feel like she is all that she is "cracked up to be." And she seems real, herself, classy and youthful. Her parents must be some of the best and proudest people in the world, without letting it get to Kimmie's head. I would love to she her cheats live, I can't tell from TV and need to see it now that I am learning more. - throwing in the 2l at the end of he 2x2 WOW!

I really believe Sasha gets over marked these days. Maybe another important factor in seeing her skate live.

That frickin "ticker" the whole time...eegh! You would think the camera could compensate because they know the thing will cut some off at some point in any broadcast. I want to see the skates Now!!!

Elena vs YElena, I have seen this spelled both ways and have no assurance which is "proper." Her LP was "Alive" IMO.

Kinda sad to watch HP, and D & D ones to watch, how couldn't I totally agree. I think they made some good choices on what to rebroadcast.

[Kwanford Wife]

This would be in the assumption that I agree with the scoring - not.

Classic... Exactly!!! We all know what the judges thought based on their scores... we simply don't agree with the numbers... this is probably the third biggest gripe I have with Cop & the Boards... we act like the numbers are infalliable ~ that scores are fair ~ that the judging has REALLY changed ~ the Emperor has new clothes...

Sorry. My need to stamp my feet & pound my head over-rode my self-preservation of staying outta technical conversations...

[Ptichka]

Inouie & Baldwin had the best technical score, and should have gotten bettern components as well (their only component that came to over 7 was P/E).

Now, let's compare the technical of the two P&T's (number after comma is average GoE):


_______________Pang/Tong___________________Pet/Tik____________
COMBO:_________2A+2T, 0.16__-> 4.74____3T+2F, 1.08 -> 5.74
JUMP:__________2T, -3_______-> 0.30____2A, 1.0____ -> 4.16
TWIST LIFT:____3Tw3, 1.3____-> 6.10____2Tw3, 0.75__-> 4.29
THROW JUMP 1:__3STh, 1.75___-> 5.90____3STh, 1.5__ -> 5.50
THROW JUMP 2:_3LoTh*, 1.83__-> 6.90____3LoTh, 1.5__-> 6.00
DEATH SPIRAL 1:BoDs4, -0.5__-> 4.30____BoDs2, -0.41-> 3.30
DEATH SPIRAL 2:FiDs4, 1.6___-> 4.70____FiDs3, 0.83 -> 3.80
LIFT 1:________5ALi4, 1.25__-> 7.79____5ALi4, 1.33 -> 7.79
LIFT 2:________5TLi3, 1.08__-> 6.14____5TLi4, 0.75 -> 6.36
LIFT 3:________3Li3, 0.75__ -> 3.93____2Li4,0.75__ -> 4.43
FOOTWORK 1:____CiSt3, 1.16__-> 3.74____SpSt3, 0.41 -> 3.39
FOOTWORK 2:____SpSt3, 1.08__-> 3.60____SISt3, 0.25 -> 3.10
SBS SPIN:______FCFcSp3, 0.5 -> 3.36____FCCoSp2, 0__-> 2.50
PAIR SPIN:_____PCoSp3, 0.58 -> 4.21____PCoSp3, 0.33-> 4.14

So, Russians have better jumps; Chinese better twist lift; Chinese slightly better throws; Chinese - better spirals; almost equal lifts and footwork; slightly better spins for Chinese.
Looking at this, I'd say the only thing I don't agree with are the lifts. Perhaps also their components should have been a bit higher, pushing them to silver over the Zhangs. Beyond that, much as I hate to say this, it does appearto be fair.

[Joesitz]

As one poster before me said, it's hard to believe that I think the Russians was robbed!

One can look at those points scores, but one doesn't have to swallow them. They are all opinions on what each judged noticed and then combined to give an opinionated total.

Pet and Tik were the best team that night, imo, and Z&Z had nothing to offer except high lifts. I presume high lifts are the equivalent to quads in singles whereby the contestants win extra undeserved points on other elements.

Joe

[attyfan]

I think reasonable minds can differ over whether the gold should have gone to P/T (Russia) or P/T (China), but I was really disgusted during the "round table" where, in response to Terry's "were the Russians robbed", there is no mention of Z/Z being overmarked, or the Russians, if not deserving the gold, then at least deserving the silver. IMO, if Anton's little bobble at '02 Olys caused such a humongous outcry, then Z/Z repeated errors should also have caused some commotion.