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    Quote Originally Posted by julietvalcouer View Post
    I liked Uli's, and I rather liked Kayne's, too (the fabric was pretty.)
    Kayne's top was nice, but the pants were all wrong for that body type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ptichka View Post
    Kayne's top was nice, but the pants were all wrong for that body type.
    Ptichka, good eye!!! Here's a comment from Tim's Take

    The design for Pamela (Michael’s mom) had wonderful potential, but was derailed by its unflattering proportions. Both the top and pant were too short and, consequently, bifurcated Pamela in the worst possible place. The cropped pant was a no-no (think long and fitted), the boat-neck of the top was too constricting, and the spangled mini-poncho/scarf looked arbitrary. Kayne, get back on your mark!
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    I also thought that the color of Kayne's top was too neutral and did not enhance Michael's mother's coloring.

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    It was an interesting challenge, and it surely did give us a different light on some of the designers, but even more so on Tim, teacher of designers.

    As a fat lady, I didn't like Uli's dress. That is exactly the stereotypical ensemble that the fashion industry thinks works on fat ladies, and they have been dishing it out for at least 30 years. Big ugly chunky jewelry & necklaces. A poncho/dashiki kind of top (cover as much of the ugly person up as possible, and again, even having a bright print is stereotypical) and pants, either badly fitting or out of extremely stretchy material so you don't have to worry about how to fit the fat person. The necklace in Uli's case was particularly ugly.

    And how can I prove it's a stereotype? Uli's outfit and Kayne's outfit are both takes on this motif. But also, if you have any photo's of your grandmother in a dashiki or muumuu over pants from the 70's or 80's, you can prove it too.

    Plus Size Halloween Costume

    Robert actually put Patricia in something that she could wear-comfortable, and she liked the colors. And the silhouette was good (as the judges said). I wouldn't even have had him in the bottom 3. I'll miss him!

    I liked both Michael's and Vincent's outfits and would have been happy with either winning. And if you go to bravo's web page and look at 'rate the runway' , you'll find that most people had them very close for 2nd or 3rd. Uli's outfit is winning.

    I think that you can't underestimate the effect of Michael Kors' mother on the jury, either. They were doing so much of the hi mom and Angela's mom gets it on with Jeffrey stuff that they didn't explain anything about the judging or what if anything Vincent gets for winning. Michael Kors' mom was introduced as a celebrity judge. In the past, the celebrity judge's job (Sasha, Paris Hilton, etc) was to pick the winner. If she hated Uli's dress (and she's old enough to remember the look the Halloween costume is reflecting), then it's a tossup between Michael and Vincent. Furthermore, she grew up in an era when her mother probably wore a shirtwaisit dress every day -that's why the comments about 'matronly' for Michael's dress, or at least for the sash.

    From the Sears catalog from the 50's

    http://www.honors.umd.edu/HONR269J/p...hirtwaists.gif

    If the choice of winner was by discussion, rather than by celebrity judge, it's still 2 out of 3, because can you see Michael Kors ruling against what his mother likes if it's a close call?

    What I'm wondering is what the heck Vincent won, since he didn't win immunity. It apparently is some perk connected with the next challenge with the 'jetsetter'.

    Any guesses? Or is this something about designing a new uniform for stewardesses?
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    Doris, love your post!!! Very informative.

    One of the things I thought about too is the fact that these designers forget or they don't care they're on TV. Even though I like Michael and I hope he goes far, please stop with the foul language. Doesn't he understand that he is representing his mother?? What is wrong with Jeff making those remarks to Angela's mom on TV. He's not going to have any customers if that's the way he treats clients.

    Ok for the next challenge I thought it may be designing for the stewards & stewardesses too, what else could it be??

    Dee

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    Dee, I'm sure you're right about the designers forgetting they're on TV. Robert said as much in his extended exit interview on the bravotv.com site. Remember, they even recorded Angela and her mom in the bathroom (where Angela is coaching her mom without being too explicit to BLAST Jeffrey if she feels like it). I would have thought the production staff wouldn't have stooped to recording people in the bathroom.

    Also, some of the outakes are on the site-(play Robert's exit interview and/or any of the other exit interviews. Look at the list over the other vids you can pick, and you'll see the web path. Click on Season3 and all kinds of extra stuff is under there.

    If you watch the Jeffrey/Darlene stuff over, be careful to listen to just what Jeffrey said, ignoring the dramafest reaction from Angela's mother. It was cold and not pleasant, but it wasn't crazy out of line, considering that when half the time had gone (and it was a 24 hour challenge) she had gotten critical with Tim without Jeffrey there, telling Tim the colors were all wrong,etc etc when she had told Jeffrey she liked purple. Jeffrey felt she was sabotaging him deliberately (whether he was right or wrong about it, who can say. )

    But he could for example have called her something insulting and he actually didn't. Nor did he use profanity at her. He said (roughly), This is the dress I'm making you, and I hope you'll like it. I'll make it to the best of my ability, and if you don't like it, I'm sorry, and I hope the judges will like it better than you do. Then Darlene says something like" It's not what I expected, Why are you treating me like this?" Jeffrey says something like "How am I treating you? There's a couple more inconsequential remarks and Darlene gets all teary eyed. Jeffrey definitely showed rude behavior (and not the first time), but it wasn't as far out as all that. I went back to listen to all the extra stuff, figuring that this overreaction would make more sense if I heard all of it, but if there was worse, it wasn't in the program or on the website. And since they did not appear to be trying to whitewash Jeffrey on the show, if they had him behaving worse than they showed, they would have showed it. They go for the drama, after all.

    I don't get the desire to literally murder or punch Jeffrey over this, or even to behave like a watering can over it.
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    I've only watched a few Project Runways, but I have to say this: I absolutely loathe Vincent! His Twiggy outfit was AWFUL! That said I loved Kayne's Marilyn Monroe outfit and Michael's pink outfit!

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    Well Jeff finally won a challenge. He is so grateful, he said I should have won other challenges. Brat!!!

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    Well, did you read/hear his comment on how this is proof God is alive and that God isn't drunk like He was when Jeff got Angela's mother? Oy.

    Honestly, I kind of feel mixed. Angela's outfit was a little rumply and not the best up there, but not particularly bad, and Kayne's was OTT but showed some effort. Uli was also treated a little harshly, but I do think she needed the warning that she could go the way of Austin Scarlet--break out of your mold or else. (Though on the 'what I'd buy/wear', it's easily a toss-up between hers and Laura's. I could totally have either of those in my closet. And Laura should get 100 bonus points for making something that was chic, comfortable, AND comfortable for someone making a plane flight while pregnant!)

    Vincent must be paying someone off because he should have been GONE for that non-clothing. That looked like something *I* could make--the neckline wasn't even cut evenly! At least Angela and Kayne made an effort to make actual CLOTHES. That outfit would have lost in a county-fair sewing contest.

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    Even if I liked Jeffrey's clothing (which I loathe), I would want him ousted for being so obnoxious. He might not like Angela or her mother, but there's no call for such rudeness. He's not so great that he can turn away customers that he might not like, either.

    Love Micheal's stuff and he always puts a lot of thought into it and is willing to change things when possible. I think he should have won last night. I can understand why Jeffrey's won [since it fit his 'story'], but I think there are fewer people who would want to wear his outfit vs the other men's outfits (except maybe Kayne's).

    Uli does do the same thing always. I think the judges want her to do something different while perhaps being a only a 'touch' of Uli. While her dress looked comfy, I think I would have preferred it shorter for a jetsetter - it's hard to juggle a skirt and other baggage - just going up or down stairs would neccessitate holding up the skirt.

    I think if Angela had excluded the rosettes and chosen better fabrics, she might have survived the round. Her outfit would have passed muster in the Hamptons if not for the Angela details and material.

    Laura is so classic. I just wish the dress had been in a bolder color.

    Kayne's would have been ok if he just had the pattern on the sleeve. Having it on the back was too flamboyant.

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    Very glad Vincent is gone. Good riddance. I honestly didn't get Jeffrey's dress; personally I would have given it to Uli.

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    I honestly didn't get Jeffrey's dress; personally I would have given it to Uli.
    I have to agree with you. I thought Jeffrey's dress looked like a 3M ScotchTape holder.

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    I'm sad Vincent is gone......I would like to have seen him make it a little further. I liked his dress on the Paris model better. Uli and Laura create the same thing over and over but in different colors.

    Dee

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    Uli's dress was definitely 'her' without the 'Miami', which is what the judges have been asking of her. I could have given her the win because it was a great dress and I thought the braiding was beautiful.

    Jeffrey's was probably the only dress that I can't imagine anyone wearing and he won? It was different for him, though.

    Unfortunately, Michael didn't have enough time to change his dress. He usually does manage to change from his original sketch, but I think all the handstitching robbed him of the chance to step back and look at the dress. I think all the ruching made the dress harder to fit, which took longer. However, it was a beautiful dress, especially after folding down the 'bunny ears'.

    I thought Kayne's dress was lovely. Perhaps the judges would have thought it was less over the top if the upper part of the dress had been a duller gold metallic.

    Laura' so classic, but the dress was so 'French maid'.

    I also thought that Vincent's dress wasn't particularly different, but the skirt section was well done. I think they let him go as a cumulative result over the last several weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heyang View Post
    Uli's dress was definitely 'her' without the 'Miami', which is what the judges have been asking of her. I could have given her the win because it was a great dress and I thought the braiding was beautiful.

    Jeffrey's was probably the only dress that I can't imagine anyone wearing and he won? It was different for him, though.

    Unfortunately, Michael didn't have enough time to change his dress. He usually does manage to change from his original sketch, but I think all the handstitching robbed him of the chance to step back and look at the dress. I think all the ruching made the dress harder to fit, which took longer. However, it was a beautiful dress, especially after folding down the 'bunny ears'.

    I thought Kayne's dress was lovely. Perhaps the judges would have thought it was less over the top if the upper part of the dress had been a duller gold metallic.

    Laura' so classic, but the dress was so 'French maid'.

    I also thought that Vincent's dress wasn't particularly different, but the skirt section was well done. I think they let him go as a cumulative result over the last several weeks.
    Heyang, I think they let Vincent go because of the glue. I also think they gave the win to Jeffery because of the plaid. Matching material like that is a bear. 1/8th of an inch off and it's noticeable.

    Dee

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