Layback spins

**antmanb** · 07-25-2006, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by MKFSfan

Other names that Sasha/Nicks gave elements is the "Sasha Spiral''-the Maribel Vinson Owen spiral aka the fan spiral. And the "Sasha Skid"- when she goes from a fan spiral to a catch foot and changes direction. I have no idea if anyone did that particular variation before Sasha, but others have done spiral slide moves where they change direction and keep on traveling. Sasha's became known as a "skid" because like the hockey move, she changes direction and basically comes to a stop.

I believe the "Sasha Skid" at the time it was named was a normal skid spiral and people mocked the naming of it after Sasha since at the time the edges into and out of it were not very strong and usually it ground to pretty much a halt. The one person who does/did the same version as the one named by camp Sasha but extremely well was Robin Cousins.

Ant

**MKFSfan** · 07-25-2006, 08:50 AM

I think Cousins, Oksana and many others, did the slide move by using a more abrasque type spiral, even more so, in a camel position. Mao included a slide move in a Y-spiral position, traveled backwards, changes to travel forwards. Under COP, skater must hole spiral position for 3 seconds, which is why Sasha doesn't include the skid any longer in her spiral sequence, the forward change position isn't held long enough.

In the early days of Kristi, Karyn, Midori, etc. you saw them sort of swing around in a camel position, changing directions with great edging work. I'm not sure if this was considered slide move since the free leg, while didn't touch the ice, would swing around. Pretty cool to watch!

**antmanb** · 07-25-2006, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by MKFSfan

I think Cousins, Oksana and many others, did the slide move by using a more abrasque type spiral, even more so, in a camel position. Mao included a slide move in a Y-spiral position, traveled backwards, changes to travel forwards. Under COP, skater must hole spiral position for 3 seconds, which is why Sasha doesn't include the skid any longer in her spiral sequence, the forward change position isn't held long enough.

In the early days of Kristi, Karyn, Midori, etc. you saw them sort of swing around in a camel position, changing directions with great edging work. I'm not sure if this was considered slide move since the free leg, while didn't touch the ice, would swing around. Pretty cool to watch!

I can't vouch for how the others did it but Robin would go into it with tremendous speed start the turn and hold the position so that he'd skid the blade and start slowing down but then finish the turn and have enough speed to come out of the it holding the same position.

Ant

**MKFSfan** · 07-25-2006, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by antmanb

I can't vouch for how the others did it but Robin would go into it with tremendous speed start the turn and hold the position so that he'd skid the blade and start slowing down but then finish the turn and have enough speed to come out of the it holding the same position.

Ant

Right. It was really amazing to see! What I mean about being different is they do the slide/skid in different positions, and I'm not sure anyone's done the variations Sasha uses before.

**Mathman** · 07-25-2006, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by MKFSfan

I'm pretty sure Sasha and Nicks named the I-spin/side catch foot spin that Sasha does in just about every program, the "Sasha spin" but there have been other skaters to do this before her. The fans nicknamed it the "Beaver Cleaver."

Did you know that the term "Beaver Cleaver" for Sasha's I-spin was invented right here on Golden Skate?

There was a contest to name it, initiated and won by Rgirl, and Beaver Cleaver won out over many other worthy entries, such as the "Me-see-um Perineum" spin.

MM :o

**dorispulaski** · 07-26-2006, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by Tangy Tart

I was looking at the COP guide on the isu.org website and there is something called a flying layback spin. What exactly is this and do any skaters do it?

A junior skater named Ji Eun Choi (I think from Korea) did a flying layback spin. It's kind of underwhelmng to see. She jumps up and lands in a layback spin. There used to be a clip available of just the spin. If anyone wants to see it, I'll hunt it up.

**Joesitz** · 07-26-2006, 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by DORISPULASKI

A junior skater named Ji Eun Choi (I think from Korea) did a flying layback spin. It's kind of underwhelmng to see. She jumps up and lands in a layback spin. There used to be a clip available of just the spin. If anyone wants to see it, I'll hunt it up.

A Flying Layback! That's quite a feat, Doris. If you find it, I'd like to see it.

All this business about spirals because of flexibility are not new. As I said many times before Belita did everything in the 40s what we see today.

Joe

**MKFSfan** · 07-26-2006, 07:06 AM

MM...wow, GS sure is influential across the boards then! I had no idea the name originated here, thanks for the info!

I could've sworn a US lady did a flying layback a couple seasons ago, maybe Emily Hughes???? I just recall watching a clip, expecting to be wow'd and thinking,"Oh, that was it?" But I forget who the skater was.

**dorispulaski** · 07-26-2006, 07:47 AM

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.ph...1F9EFE39462D2A

Here's a link to Ji Eun Choi's flying layback.

**MKFSfan** · 07-26-2006, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by DORISPULASKI

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.ph...1F9EFE39462D2A

Here's a link to Ji Eun Choi's flying layback.

Thanks for sharing!! Now that I've seen it, maybe it was her, and not a US lady I saw last year.

**Spun Silver** · 07-26-2006, 12:52 PM

I like it - it's unexpected. It looks to me like her execution is a little unpolished. If the leg were straight it might look quite beautiful. But I don't really know what I'm talking about...

**TangyTart** · 07-26-2006, 03:07 PM

That flying layback was not as exciting as I had expected. I sort of hoped for something with some type of flip like motion but i guess I was just dreaming. Anyways its still pretty cool.

**c_e_ahlen** · 07-26-2006, 04:04 PM

I'd expected more. I felt it looked a bit like she was going to do a flying sit spin but changed her mind. Not that pretty, or exciting for that matter.