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    mathman444
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    Is figure skating a women's sport?


    Is figure skating a women's sport?

    In her recently published book Culture on Ice, Dr. Ellyn Kestnbaum critically examines the theory espoused by feminist writers of the 1970s that the essence of figure skating is that it presents to the dominant male "gaze" a bevy of submissive female beauties whose worth is validated by the extent to which they exhibit the disempowering quality of "gazed-upon-ness." Thus when men preen and pose before an audience, be they ever so virile and macho, they are assuming the passive female role by presenting their bodies as objects to be looked upon.

    This raises two questions:

    (a) Does the figure skating establishment, in particular through judging panels, reward female skaters who represent and reinforce societal norms as to what constitutes the feminine ideal?

    (b) What strategies are available to male skaters to counter this feminizing, hence devaluing, view of their sport.

    Mathman

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    eltamina
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    Re: Is figure skating a women's sport?


    OMG, this is serious stuff, so if we haven't read the book are we able to participate in an intelligent discussion?

    What is gazed-upon-ness?
    You mean eye candy?

    I hate to mention specific skaters, but I am going to. Kat Witt is a tough competitior, and on competitive ice I don't think she presented anything "submissive". Was Roz more of "submissive beauty"?

    <blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>What strategies are available to male skaters to counter this feminizing, hence devaluing, view of their sport[/quote]

    Challenge the hockey guys to a skating match. I think figure skaters have better edges, and overall speed. Didn't Kristi beat Bret in some speed competition?

    Add a collison competition, and we are set, I bet some figure skating girls can beat the hockey guys in this area too.

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    Dee4707
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    Re: Is figure skating a women's sport?


    <span style="color:blue;font-family:verdana;font-size:x-small;">Funny, we had this dicussion at lunch one day. Actually, not it being a women's sport but just a sport in general. Primarily it was being critiqued by the supposed macho males that I work with (ha,ha). When I talked about some of the training all the skaters go through you could see they didn't realize the tremendous amount of training and skill it takes to be a skater.

    In answer to your question, is it a women's sport, my answer is --- <strong>I think not!! </strong> Thank God for the males who are manly enough, if you will, to become figure skaters. Like someone said not only for the pure joy of the sport but the eye candy is so delicious.:smokin: :evil:

    Dee</span>


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    Joesitz
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    From my perspective, there are some men who enjoy figure skating, but they are in a small minority. Wives have said that husbands do not object to watching figure skating (they like to see the girls in their short skirted outfits). But they are firm during major sports teams as the program to watch.

    Joe

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    Show 42
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    Re: Is figure skating a women's sport?


    Joe, I would think that part of the disparity here is in the "upbringing"....boys are raised watching rough and tumble
    team sports as opposed to figure skating, synchronized swimming, etc., those sports which lend themselves to power, and not beauty and grace............as to the question posed, definitely, figure skating lends itself to women a great deal and therefore is a "woman's sport".......42

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    Skate Sandee
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    Didn't Kristi beat Bret in some speed competition? >>

    No. But Bret did say in an interview that if they both had to race around a rink, he'd be ahead of her for a 10-lap race, but that she'd last longer and beat him after 20 laps. For figure skating, it's about endurance. Many people forget that hockey players may move fast, but they're not on the ice that long at any given time, and a lot of time is spent in what I call "idle" mode (like idling a car). Four minutes of continuous controlled skating is not easy for a hockey player to do.


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    Bleuchick
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    Good question


    Is figure skating a women's sport?

    In her recently published book Culture on Ice, Dr. Ellyn Kestnbaum critically examines the theory espoused by feminist writers of the 1970s that the essence of figure skating is that it presents to the dominant male "gaze" a bevy of submissive female beauties whose worth is validated by the extent to which they exhibit the disempowering quality of "gazed-upon-ness." Thus when men preen and pose before an audience, be they ever so virile and macho, they are assuming the passive female role by presenting their bodies as objects to be looked upon.

    This raises two questions:

    (a) Does the figure skating establishment, in particular through judging panels, reward female skaters who represent and reinforce societal norms as to what constitutes the feminine ideal?

    I think so. And don't forget the 'perfect white teeth' syndrome recently brought up when refering to Xue Shen in the year 2002-2003. It looks like everybody has an idea of what a female skater should look like. The judges are just doing what the skating population is doing.

    Isn't it ironical that no one in the figure skating establishment seems to make a big fuzz about what a male skater should look like. Okay, I will take back the 'no one' part and say the 'skating establishment' is not as vocal about the male skater as it is about the female skater. Is there an establishment vocal about the way the male skater is presented in skating? yes, the larger sport population outside skating.


    (b) What strategies are available to male skaters to counter this feminizing, hence devaluing, view of their sport.

    1. drop the sequins.
    2. copy Elvis - music and style or come up with something totally different but still manly.


    Back to the question, to me figure skating is not a female sport but it is feminized. Two different things.

    Til later

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    Princess Leppard 625
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    Re: Good question


    <span style="colorurple;font-family:georgia;font-size:x-small;">The day male figures skaters start skating like Elvis is the day I stop watching....

    I like Elvis, but I <em> love</em> Evgeni, Alexei and Alexander Abt, and I would hate to see them karate-chopping their way around the rink.

    cheers,

    Laura </span>

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    Bleuchick
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    Re: Good question


    Laura - I knew someone was going to mention Elvis+karate. That is why I said 'something else' beside Karate. There must be other styles other than karate.



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    heyang
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    Re: Good question


    Didn't figure skating start as a predominantly Men's sport? I got the book, but haven't had time to start it.



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    Ladskater
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    Re: Is figure skating a women's sport?


    mathman444:

    One might ask is ballet exclusively for women? What about the great male dancers? Rudolf Nureyev and Mikhail Baryshnikov for example.

    Most male skaters try to find a style that is their own. Some do emulate ballet dancers while others like Elivs are completely athletic. Kurt is often compared to Gene Kelly - who was a very masculine dancer!

    No, I don't think figure skating is a women's sport. Some of the greatest figure skaters are male. After all they are the ones who can execute the quads and the triple axels. When the ladies start taking over this area maybe then we will consider it exclusively a women's sport.


    Ladskater

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    mathman444
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    It is interesting to me that discussions of "masculinity" in figure skating always turn to Elvis Stojko. When I watched Elvis compete against Alexei Urmanov in 1994, I thought that Elvis was gay (in a kind of leather bar sort of way), and that Alexei, despite his effiminate affectations, was straight. I guess I was wrong about Elvis and right about Alexei (now a happily married man and a proud papa).

    Mathman

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    Joesitz
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    Re: Is figure skating a women's sport?


    Show - Absolutely. The upbringing is important. However not all boys and girls are brought up the same way.

    It's only my theory but certain children are fascinated with themselves. This is said in a good context. The boy or girl that enjoys solving math problems as a hobby for example.

    In more athletic sports, think of the Diver as opposed to the Second Baseman. There is, imo, a certain wish for certain children to prove themselves and without team participation. This could be because of the parents or perhaps, a gene thing.

    And those Long Distance Runners.... How lonely is the distance?

    Mathman - I love your juxtaposition of Stoyko and Umanov. Being a Newyorker, I have been inside both leather and drag queen establishments. It' all so "Leather and Lace".:rollin:

    Joe



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    Dee4707
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    Re: Is figure skating a women's sport?


    <span style="color:fuchsia;font-family:verdana;font-size:x-small;"><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>1. drop the sequins.
    2. copy Elvis - music and style or come up with something totally different but still manly.[/quote]
    Why would wearing sequins not be a manly thing? Do European men not worry so much about being feminine as much as the Western American men do? Should there be a question as to why maybe American men are afraid of their feminine side?

    Dee</span>

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    mathman444
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    Re: Is figure skating a women's sport?


    Dee, I think that the reason that wearing sequins is considered unmanly in the Western/Anglo Saxon/American tradition is this: Adorning your body in order to look pretty (and what other reason could there be to wear sequins except to look pretty) -- has historically been associated with women. Women pretty up, men don't. (This is not true in every culture, of course. In much of Africa, for instance, it's the other way around.)

    Anyway, in the United States (and I think generally in the English speaking world), it seems sissy for a man to spend a lot of time in front of a mirror trying to look good. This is why, for instance, body building is widely regarded as a "gay sport."

    Mathman

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