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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang
    Kimmie and the Russian girl Dick Button doesn't like ( name escapes me at the moment, Elena something) will have no trouble keeping me interested.....
    As long as Dick is commentating, I'll always be interested. His commentary is more fun watching the skating sometimes. :chorus:

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesslily
    Spiral is one of most important elements for ladies' skating. Without a good spiral in ladies' skating is similar to without jumps in man's skating.
    Hm? Not sure where this came from! To me, spirals are like any other part of the program-if it's done well, with fully extended, interesting and held out positions, and if the sequence is placed to the music right, then it serves to enhnace the program. But it's only one piece of the whole program being worth "the sum of all the parts" with COP. I don't think the best spiral can even get as many points as a triple lutz! A skater won't win/lose based on spirals. If that was the case, Fleur Maxwell would be doing SO much better and Kimmie wouldn't be World Champion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c_e_ahlen
    I have never really liked Michelle (please don't kill me), so I'm quite glad to be rid of her. Sasha, I will miss. But I think it's nice that they're gone, so that new talents can have a chance.
    Well, now is their chance. We've heard a lot of whining from folks over the last several years about how skaters should "move on" and give the younger skaters a chance. We'll just see where U.S ladies skating is in 4 years without Michelle and Sasha. Those are huge skates to fill.

    Let's hope it's not a case of being careful what you wish for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MKFSfan
    ...But (a beautiful spiral) is only one piece of the whole program being worth "the sum of all the parts" with COP. I don't think the best spiral can even get as many points as a triple lutz!
    I think Jesslily was speaking not so much in terms of CoP points, but rather about the soul and essense of figure skating. If you were going to make a big sculpture titled "figure skater" and put it in the Louvre to be discovered by Martians a million years from now after the earth is distroyed, what would it be?

    Answer: http://blog.nikonians.org/archives/MichelleKwan.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman
    I think Jesslily was speaking not so much in terms of CoP points, but rather about the soul and essense of figure skating. If you were going to make a big sculpture titled "figure skater" and put it in the Louvre to be discovered by Martians a million years from now after the earth is distroyed, what would it be?

    Answer: http://blog.nikonians.org/archives/MichelleKwan.jpg

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    Ahhh...perfection!

    I've never seen that picture before, thanks!

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    I just don't think spirals are all that they are cracked up to be. It's basically a strong edge together with a leg in the air with a pointed toe attached. At the senior level that should not be difficult. Skaters at 3 y.o. start spirals and by 14 with enough training in flexibility should have a good standard spiral. If not, well....

    It can be a pretty move, no doubt about it. But the way it is called for in competition it more like tricksy stuff, but then what isn't.

    Give me a beatiful camel spin any day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman
    If you were going to make a big sculpture titled "figure skater" and put it in the Louvre to be discovered by Martians a million years from now after the earth is distroyed, what would it be?
    Only if it got past the curators for the Louvre, or else this could be one of those "be careful what you wish for"s.

    There's a huge, gaudy partial sculpture marble tombstone for ballerina Galina Ulanova in the Novodevichy Convent cemetery in Moscow. It is something out of Disney. (I prefer the black rocks with simple white lettering for that are Brecht and Weigel's tombstones in the Berlin cemetery.)

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    It's pretty!

    Galina Ulanova's tombstone

    Just like Sleeping Beauty or Snow White.
    Last edited by Mathman; 08-04-2006 at 11:22 AM.

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    But imagine it in a cemetery with simple tombstones of the likes of Chekhov and Shostakovich. And it doesn't begin to convey the magic of her art. (Raisa Gorbachev's is an altar of sorts, with various bouquets -- even in the March aftermath of the Moscow winter -- and icons and candles strewn about it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman
    It's pretty!

    Galina Ulanova's tombstone

    Just like Sleeping Beauty or Snow White.
    Oh, wow...that's so pretty.

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    That IS very pretty. I suppose whether or not it fits into a cemetery with more basic simple tombstones would depend on your attitude towards minimalism....

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    Pairs

    NNNTL will have my attention this year. I love this pair. Also following Jennifer Don in defending her championship & competeing internationally.

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    I'm actually really excited about skating this year. I'll miss Michelle a lot. But there are still so many great skaters competing.

    It's definitely a "passing of the guard" moment in ladies' skating. Irina, Michelle, Sasha, and Shizuka have dominated for so long now (especially Michelle and Irina). To have them all leave at once is definitely a huge change. But I am so excited about the new ladies coming up. I personally think Kimmie is great. It was such a thrill watching her at Worlds last year, and it will be exciting to see her defend her title. And then there's Mao Asada. It's too soon to know, but I feel like she has the potential to be that amazing, once-in-a-generation champion that we haven't seen emerge in ladies' skating since, well, Michelle burst onto the scene in 1995/1996. And in addition to Kimmie and Mao--which could become one of the all-time great rivalries in ladies' skating--there's also Yu-Na Kim, Yukari Nakano, Alissa Czisny, Kira Korpii, Elene Gedevashvili, Katy Taylor, Joannie Rochette, and (hopefully?) Cynthia Phaneuf in the mix. An exciting group of ladies in my opinion.

    There will be less change in the other divisions, but still a lot of interest, I think. On the men's side, the depth of talent is incredible. And if Johnny can start to really focus, well . . . I'll be on the edge of my seat. In dance, there are also so many great teams, especially Tanith & Ben and Dubreuil & Lauzon. I can't wait to see more of them, and also the young American dance teams coming up, especially Matthews & Zavozin. And finally, in pairs, my hopes are high that Shen & Zhao will come back and have one final amazing season. I would so love to see them win Worlds again.

    I think it's going to be a good year!

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    People always say that the season won't be the same but when they get a load of the new ladies it will be like , Sasha who? Michelle who? In with the old, out with the new. In the old days of amateur skating, every four year cycle yielded new favorites. The last 8 years have been an aberration with Michelle staying in for so long, however once she leaves, the fans will find someone new. Same with Sasha. There are a lot of talented skaters out there and someone always rises to the occasion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soogar
    People always say that the season won't be the same but when they get a load of the new ladies it will be like , Sasha who? Michelle who? In with the old, out with the new. In the old days of amateur skating, every four year cycle yielded new favorites. The last 8 years have been an aberration with Michelle staying in for so long, however once she leaves, the fans will find someone new. Same with Sasha. There are a lot of talented skaters out there and someone always rises to the occasion.
    Of course. There will be many new fans who haven't watched FS much until now, or this upcoming season. Michelle, IMO, will become an icon who we see flashbacks of for years, much like Janet Lyn or Kat or Maribel V. Owen, etc. for her amazing run at Nationals and Worlds. I'm sure any consistent, artistic skater who skates from the heart, connects with the audience and becomes a constant face at the top of podiums, Dick will start saying,"Shades of Michelle Kwan." I imagine also that when skaters like Caroline Zhang, come up to Seniors with supreme flexibility and wonderful spins, we'll get,"Shades of Sasha Cohen."
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