At the Olympics for example Lambiel had 3 huge mistakes, and looked slow and tenative all the way and still received almost the exact same score as Lysacek with his perfect performance. Lambiel had a clean quad in his program though. There are alot of other examples too.
That is why I was saying Scott Smith could beat the 4 skaters you mentioned with a quad, since they often dont even try one. The example of the skaters I listed above.
It it same in womens probably. All girls with triple-triple will probably always beat girls without one.
Meanwhile, Lysacek and Weir have both added quads to their repertoire. Both have already attempted them in competition. As time goes by, the quads will become more and more secure and Smith will have less and less chance to beat them.
Incidentally, Smith already competed against Oda and Matt Savoie at 2006 4CC.
In the SP, Smith landed a 4S3T, 3A, 3L, but none of the jumps were squeaky clean, and he bungled his combination spin. Smith got a PCS score of 27.25 and wound up 6th in the SP, beaten by:
5th Kensuke Nakaniwa: landed 4T3T but fell on an axle attempt rated as a 1A. PCS 31.72
4th Marc Andre Craig: no quad. 3A, 3F3T, 3Z PCS 29.46
3rd Christopher Mabee: no quad. 3A, 3Z3T, 3F. Lots of +1s and a few +2 for non-jump elements. PCS: 31.27
2nd Matt Savoie: no quad. 3A, 3F3T, 3Z. Lots of +1s and a few +2 on both jump and non-jump elements. PCS: 36.04
1st Nobunari Oda. no quad. 3A, 3Z3T, 3F. Lots of +1s and a few +2 on both jump and non-jump elements. PCS: 35.39
As it turned out, the two men who landed quads (Smith and Nakaniwa) finished LOWER than 4 men with no quads. Craig, Mabee, Savoie and Oda had overall better quality jumps and Savoie and Oda had far superior non-jump elements.
In the FS, the only man to land a quad was Xiadong Ma, who landed a 4T3T2T combination. He finished 9th in the FS, though, because he doubled quite a few jumps after that and had a fall.
You also cant really say skaters like Weir or Lysacek have mastered a quad yet. They need to do more then land one very shaky quad at Worlds each to have mastered it, it is too early to say they mastered it or you know they ever will, they might, they might no as wellt. It is the same with others who have not mastered quads yet, you dont know if any of them will until they reach that point they have. Almost everytime I have seen Smith skate in a U.S event, or small international, on TV he has either landed a quad or made a good attempt.
You are right the jumps must be rotated. I mean if he rotates the jumps enough to get credit as well, just like girls have to rotate the 3/3s to make them mean something like you said.
The bottom line is that Scott Smith landed quads in both SP and FS at 2006 Nationals, and he skated fairly cleanly in both. Lysacek had a very messy SP, Weir left out two jumping passes in his FS, and Savoie fell on a 3A and doubled his 3Z in the FS. Even though Smith landed his quad in both programs, he still did not beat those quadless men, even when they were not clean.
It takes MORE than jumps to win a competition. Smith just doesn't have more than jumps. His non-jump elements are very mediocre and he skates without expression or character. The international judges agree with that, as his PCS scores in his 4CC SP and FS attest. It is extremely difficult for a skater with a 10 point PCS deficit to win a competition.
All I have to say about this event...........I'm SO going and I plan to enjoy every minute. A skating event in Cincinnati!? That NEVER happens and I will be there with bells on!! YAY CINCY!!
The question is When does she have time to create programs with all the movie appearences? The Fumie rivalry was propelled when Sasha's webmaster put on her website that Fumie medaled in 03 due to an easier qualifying group versus Sasha who got stuck in the group with the years gold and silver medalist.
Last edited by Eeyora; 08-22-2006 at 12:25 AM.
oh, that thing on her website is old news. Every time someone brings it up it reminds me of a certain poster who used to post here
Two months is nothing when you are soaking in the limelight, going to movie premieres and doing tons of acting gigs. That's her new life, not skating. Skating doesn't bring her enough attention.
I bet she's only appearing because they are dragging her there...or the money
Good grief, RD, do you get paid to bash Sasha? Don't you ever get tired of being negative (always about the same person)?
OMG!!!! Now I am officially excited for this new season!!! I can't wait to see Nam/Lefteris, and I am so thrilled for Gregory/Petukhov! I like this format, it looks like for once they thought about how to form a competition, not just USA vs World, but breaking it up into Japan and Canada, and inviting some exciting skaters and fan favorites other than the same medalists over and over again. Any word on whether Japan or Canada TV will broadcast this? Hopefully over the three broadcasts we'll see all the performances, because of course the US broadcast will chack something.