back on topic, I don't think this is anything to get real excited about. How about some real competitions...like the GP series, etc.?
ah...you think you got me, don't cha...but I never said those "real competitions" were exciting to begin with... But compared to something like Campbell's, the GP series is actually something we - er- you guys can "predict" and "analyze".
I'm kind of confused as to when Joubert suddenly got a consistent quad - he didn't land the jump in competition for over a year (more like a year and a half) and then he landed one good one at worlds and a couple of shakey/flawed ones and he now has a consistent quad? I think Lambiel is probably the only other skater besides Pluschenko with a properly consistent quad and the rest in your list can land them (and land them very beaituflly) but they are hit and miss in competition.
If we want to get Lambiel, we could talk about his 3A. Other than that, he seems just fine with consistency.
On topic: Pity, we wont see either Joubert of Lambiel at Campbells but do you think the entrants will go for the Quad at Campbells?
Lambiel was digned 4.2 points when his triple axel was downgraded to a double by the cheating technical specialist. He also lost 2 points for a two footed triple loop. He would have beaten Joubert in the long by over 6 points without those two errors(or so called errors in the case of the downgraded triple axel).
Ohhh...and here I thought that 3axle was clean! He beat Joubert overall by like 3 points, right? Probably from going all out in the QR. I love Lambiel and I think Joubert did amazing at Worlds 2006. Hopefully he will build on that, and we'll see the newest men's rivalry between those two, with Evan and Johnny fighting for a spot on the podium as well!
What is the Chinese man's name, something Li? He always catches my eye, huge jumps. Hopefully he will have a breakout season!
Yes Lambiel's margin of victory came from the qualifying round.
I seem to recall that Lambiel built himself a nice 8-point cushion in the 2005 Worlds QR as well. Too bad for Stephane that there will be no QRs at Worlds any more.
The main difference between Joubert's and Lambiel's jump layouts was that Lambiel did 3F+3T and 2A instead of Joubert's 3F+2T and 3F. The total base values for the eight jumping passes (including second half bonuses, and giving Lambiel credit for the 3A) were Lambiel 62.2, Joubert 59.8.
As Hockeyfan mentioned a while back, Joubert could have closed the gap just by throwing in a couple of 2 loops at the end of one of his solo jumps.
BTW, Lysacek did almost the identical jumps, except he did a second 3A (in combination) instead of a second 4T. Base value for Lysacek's jumps was 60.4
It is pretty easy to look at the CoP point values and see what you have to do to maximize your tech score. So it is not surprising to see the same jump layout for all the top men.
What hurt Lysacek were his program component scores. They were substantially below Lambiel and Joubert, and also below Sandhu and Buttle.
Last edited by Mathman; 08-24-2006 at 03:56 PM.