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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Here ya go.

    3Lz+2T
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    SpSt3
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    so you did it anyway
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    Sean, don't let us nervous Nellies discourage you. This is a great idea. We are just afraid of looking foolish by calling a CiSt4 instead of a SlSt3.
    Believe me I had the same fear Even if I copied the "real McCoy" I would have been afraid of the " SeaniBu, I can't agree with you calling that a..." Why do you think I wanted everyone else to do it.
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    To follow up on GKelly's suggestion, .... ISU judges' oversight committee is supposed to review your marks for evidence of incompetence and bias).
    That is the plan, but now I need to go and put the "calls" in so this can start. I also wanted to only have to put in "text / numbers" at once. But I need not be so lazy, let's see how quick I can get this, the terms and the rest of my life going. Hopefully before Oct

    I still want to fix everyones "video viewing issues" - please everyone tell me what happened if you could not get the vid to play or download or whatever message you received.
    email or PM I don't care, I just want you all to get what you want, GSers deserve it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeaniBu View Post
    I still want to fix everyones "video viewing issues" - please everyone tell me what happened if you could not get the vid to play or download or whatever message you received.
    What you just did on the Abbott and Costelo movies worked great for me.

    http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sho...t=13909&page=2

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    After you do "So you want to judge" it might be even more fun to try "So you want to be a Technical Specialist."

    I looked again at this particular performance of Fumie, as an example, and there didn't really seem to be much for the judges to do. Every element is OK to pretty good. If you just gave 0 GOE across the board, that would be quite appropriate (and would match the opinions of the actual judges just fine).

    Similarly, if you just gave a blanket 7.25 for PCSs, that would be right in line with what everyone else thought.

    For advanced students, the Tech Specialist game could go like this. The video starts and runs up to right after she completes her first element (a jump combination in this case). Then it pauses and you have to enter what you thought it was (the correct answer is 3Lz+2T, but you don't know that until the end). Then it starts up again until the next element.

    For instance, the third element is a "Spiral Step Sequence, level 3." Most players would recognize the element as a spiral, but they would have to make a judgment about the level (did she attain a Biellmann position? Did she change the edge?)

    The spins would be the hardest. You would have to know, for instance, how many changes of position and changes of edges, how many revolutions on each edge, etc. (Fumie's last element, in the judgment of the actual Tech specialist, was a CCoSp4 -- what does she have to do to get that call?)

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    Actually, I think the spins are pretty easy to assign levels to, about the same as spirals. It's the step sequences that drive me crazy.

    If you want to use the Torino calls to check your work, make sure to use 2005-06 rules. Several of the level descriptions have changed for 06-07, most notably the number of features required to achieve a given level.

    I have not been able to get SeaniBu's video to play on my computer, so I just watched my videotape on my VCR and paused with the remote control.

    Should we have two separate threads, one to discuss the skating and a separate one to discuss whatever format innovations SeaniBu is trying to show us that I can't see? I can discuss the level features that I would or wouldn't give credit for in that performance, and other posters can argue with me if you disagree.

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    So how exactly are we doing this. We basically just list you off our GOES for her elements and our PCS scores for her?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkelly View Post
    Should we have two separate threads, one to discuss the skating and a separate one to discuss whatever format innovations SeaniBu is trying to show us that I can't see? I can discuss the level features that I would or wouldn't give credit for in that performance, and other posters can argue with me if you disagree.
    What you have on Video and that which is on my vid are going to be the same if not similar. The dif is that I have a boarder on the left and bottom for the score and element designation to be placed - and I did not cut anything off of the original broadcast on NBC. MOF, my settings are half the resolution "size" of what would have been taped on VHS. So viewing the tape is even better then what I made available.

    The vids you have of Fumie's SP will suffice perfectly except for the fact that it is not live and you are at the arena in the Judges booth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuranthium View Post
    So how exactly are we doing this. We basically just list you off our GOES for her elements and our PCS scores for her?
    Yes Basically. I really would love to know and I think it might be interesting when I finish (posting them) so wee all can see. I will do the other "3" too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    as an example, and there didn't really seem to be much for the judges to do. Every element is OK to pretty good. If you just gave 0 GOE across the board, that would be quite appropriate (and would match the opinions of the actual judges just fine).

    Similarly, if you just gave a blanket 7.25 for PCSs, that would be right in line with what everyone else thought.
    Pretty good I believe should receive a +1 and "pillow landings!" come on, those landings are soooo soft, I believe better then Shi-chans's IMO I guess.

    The Music mix was not impressive IMO, the fact that she kept the beat in 80% of that was more impressive due to the fact no one else had such defined "beats" in their music. She really kept the beat very well considering the music edit. That maybe the prob, but she felt that one "right on" as much as possible to me. But yes that is one reason I used my "dream test Baby" for this informative exercise.

    Don't let that bias "skew" your own personal judgment.

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    I don't know about the sound mix for that video you gave us. The "clicks" are not nearly as accented in every other video of her performance that I've seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuranthium View Post
    I don't know about the sound mix for that video you gave us. The "clicks" are not nearly as accented in every other video of her performance that I've seen.
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    I have no Idea what you are saying, sorry. That is the songs, and everything is used as the songs that are available. The snapping and clapping in the music I do hear is in this pro - as well as the dropped beats and time sig change. Every edit is "rounded on a 1 - 2 second splice. But if you are noting how this seems to be different then the other music edits of LN and FS's pros, I say that is true. This one particularly seems a little less than Fumie, Lori or Oly worthy.

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    In the version you're showing us the clicking noises drown out the music...there is something wrong with the mix I think. This is how it sounded live on TV:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=to8U3dRL-kM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuranthium View Post
    In the version you're showing us the clicking noises drown out the music...there is something wrong with the mix I think. This is how it sounded live on TV:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=to8U3dRL-kM
    I am not hearing anything but the music. ? The "snapping and clapping" in the music is much more audible without the crowed or arena to drown and wash the treble out. I was surprised at what I didn't hear in the pro from the televised performance.

    I had Cancion Triste but not Toca Orilla (the second song) and was surprised - and with the fact there is a lot of vocal in Toca Orilla. So if you are referring to the "castanetts" sounds, they are quite prevalent in the song when just hearing the song.

    But there also might be something wrong with the download, some members are reporting issues with my videos that I am not experiencing. So I guess I still don't know for sure what you are referring to.

    I also don't know if they sequestered Jesse Cook to send a version with out the castanets, but I doubt it. But nothing is impossible for Fumie and Lori, I would imagine, if Jesse had the tracks and could rerun the song with out he might have, I don't know.

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    I have some things I need to change about this whole approach. Would like it to be more fun. So I am basically going to learn from what has been posted - THANKS EVERYONE - and let this thread die and try a different approach.

    Thanks for the YouTube link, I despise their "ethics" right now so I am not searching there. But for future I 'spose that is a good place to direct people if they don't have the pro or can't download what I try to give them. My biggest regret is that the video quality is so pour there.

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