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    News Mao to train with Rafael Arutunian

    http://asia.news.yahoo.com/060825/kyodo/d8jnghu81.html

    Saw this story floating around and thought I'd share...

    Any thoughts on how a Asada / Arutunian L.A. / Lake Arrowhead partnership will translate in the up-coming season?

    Will she and sister Mai become the newest version of the ice princess legacy that is Michelle & Karen?

    WIll being so far away from home negatively affect the young star's potential?

    Will Mao become yet another tragic, causionary tale associated with Aruturian's rep of focusing so much on jumps that his skaters wear out their bodies?

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    That could very well be Mao's demise. Hate to say it but I don't like his style of teaching.
    I do hope that a parent will be with them in Arrowhead. A lot of skaters come and go and don't give a lot of reason for their leaving.

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    Usually coming to the US leads to good things for international skaters...I think, anyway.

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    This was in a previous story. I thought it was a good idea. Rafael did wonders with Sasha Abt and it showed in Euros that year. When Abt went to New Jersey, he was at his worst.

    He got MK into solid jump landings, but alas it was during the period where the hip was going and we did see the loop go downhill. Blame the hip; not the coach.

    Calgirl - Until I will know the reasons, I will look at this change as a plus for Mao.
    There has been a lot of coming and going with many skaters and coaches since Nicole Bobek and probably earlier.

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    Japanese ladies have had mixed results when it comes to coaching with Russian coaches in America. It worked great for Arakawa, yet not so great for Suguri. Interesting that Tarasova largely credited Shizuka's Japanese values for the success of the partnership, whereas Vasiliev blamed the same thing for his failure to do anything for Fumie.

    I am not sure how the partnership will work out. Arutunian is primarily a technical coach, whereas the Asada sisters need a mature style. Then again, it seems that when Japanese ladies to the US to train, they don't fully leave their Japanese coaches. I do hope this works!

    P.S. As to allegations about Arutunian - I would like to hear something substantial before passing any judgement. I suspect he does push his students a lot; this may not be appropriate for working with younger less developped students, yet may work well for elite skaters such as the Asada sisters.
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    Well, Rafael is known for being a jump coach, right? So maybe it's a coincidence that skaters with jump issues go to him, and when he addresses certain technique issues, they have to relearn and spend more time training a specific jump and in the process get injured. I don't know...I think Michelle's health issues were there before RA and maybe doing more training brought out those injuries. Her loop is an example of my theory-that has always been her problematic jump and RA had her rework the jump, change the entrance and then we hear that jump gives her pain-was it the hip itself or is it the focus on that specific jump with RA that did her in? Who knows.

    I hope this works for Mao, she needs to fix her toe axle and bad flutz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ptichka View Post
    Japanese ladies have had mixed results when it comes to coaching with Russian coaches in America. It worked great for Arakawa, yet not so great for Suguri. Interesting that Tarasova largely credited Shizuka's Japanese values for the success of the partnership, whereas Vasiliev blamed the same thing for his failure to do anything for Fumie.
    Both Tarasova and Morosov are emotional coaches, by which I mean they engage emotionally with their skaters. Vasiliev is more distant. I wonder if Suguri would have responded differently had she trained in New Jersey with Zhulin and Platov among the Russian coaches.

    Vasiliev was quoted extensively in Joy Goodwin's book, The Second Mark, in which he said that he was not a special talent, but that the system made him into a great skater. That's why I always found it surprising that he complained the Suguri always wanted to break everything down physiologically and know how things worked. But the stereotype of Japanese skaters is that they are stoic and obedient, and I suppose that means "should be" unquestioning.

    I, personally, would have sent her to Canada. The Japanese men who have trained in Canada, like Honda and Oda, have seemed happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    Rafael did wonders with Sasha Abt and it showed in Euros that year. When Abt went to New Jersey, he was at his worst.

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    Wasn´t Rafael the coach for Alexander Abt since very early in his skating career? I mean years and years before those 2002 Europeans. I don´t remember ever having seen any other coach with Abt in the kiss & cry since he started to compete as a senior skater at international events in 1995 (I have not seen any of his junior skating). Skate America 1995 was the first event where I saw his skating.

    Unfortunately Abt was always a rather inconsistent skater and he also had the bad luck in form of lots of injuries. He was awesome at 2002 Europeans and was definetely robbed from the title. Of all his programmes I have loved the freeskate proramme (Polovetsian Dances) at 1995 Skate America most.

    About the actual topic, LOL, I have some little doubts, but hope that Mao will benefit from the new coach.
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    This is probably a stupid question, but I can't recognize an under-rotation most of the times (only sometimes when there is a super slow-motion provided) and was wondering the main reason for downgrade on the second jump of 3-3s and 3-2s attempted by many ladies. Is it the habit of toe-Axel, or is it just the fact that these ladies can't get those triple/double toes fully rotated?

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    Arutunian may be the coach who can clean up Asada's toe loop so that she can put it back in her programs and also the salchow...like others have said though, i don't think its the jumps that Mao has problems with and might benefit from a more "artisitc" teaching coach rather than a technical one.

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