Yes, I know that. I guess I just didn't classify it clearly. My point was to say a beillmann is one position (should have said variation of an upright spin) and many fans seem to think anytime a skater grabs the skate and yanks it up, it is a beillmann. I just don't think the catchfoot layback is a beillmann. Neither is a Chinese spiral, which many do and I've seen fans label it "one handed beillmanna" or "1/2 beillmann".