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    Will any of these U.S junior ladies have an impact on senior nationals this year?

    We know about Caroline Zhang (she will stay in juniors this year) and Rachael Flatt (2nd in U.S. juniors last year, moving up to seniors at the national level this year).

    But I was just checking out the junior grand prix results and I was struck by how many other U.S. junior ladies are poised to step into the senior ranks this year.

    Ashley Wagner, 15 (4th last year in U.S. juniors)
    Megan Hyatt, 16 (1st in U.S. juniors last year)
    Melissa Bulanhagui, 16 (3rd)
    Juliana Cannarizzo (5th)

    These ladies, along with Zhang and Megan Osher (14th in her senior nationals debut last year), have delivered excellent performances in the junior grand prix series. (All but Hyatt are on track to possibly make the Jr. G.P. final.)

    Does anyone have an impression about who might step up and make some noise at U.S. Nationals this year?

    Or is the upper tier of Kimmie, Katy, Alissa, Bebe and Emily pretty solid for the time being?
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    I am hoping that Juliana Cannarizzo has a break through year. She seems to be having a great season. She also seems very confident. I hope she will be the surprise skater at nationals this year.

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    The 5 seasoned senior ladies are probably safe for the 3 top positions. I can imagine Flatt (if she is all that what I've read about might be a spoiler) but I really haven't seen her skate yet. If Rachel Wagner skates a clean routine, I believe she would have a chance of cracking the podium. But that's just a a big IF.

    Also I am presuming Sasha will not make an appearance.

    The Boys to Men are more interesting because there is definitely a 3rd spot there to compete with Smith. I'd go with Steenberg if he skates clean.

    The Pairs and Dance also are showing many challenges for the podium.

    Last but not least, and lest we forget, it is a slippery sport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    We know about Caroline Zhang (she will stay in juniors this year) and Rachael Flatt (2nd in U.S. juniors last year, moving up to seniors at the national level this year).

    But I was just checking out the junior grand prix results and I was struck by how many other U.S. junior ladies are poised to step into the senior ranks this year.

    Ashley Wagner, 15 (4th last year in U.S. juniors)
    Megan Hyatt, 16 (1st in U.S. juniors last year)
    Melissa Bulanhagui, 16 (3rd)
    Juliana Cannarizzo (5th)

    These ladies, along with Zhang and Megan Osher (14th in her senior nationals debut last year), have delivered excellent performances in the junior grand prix series. (All but Hyatt are on track to possibly make the Jr. G.P. final.)

    Does anyone have an impression about who might step up and make some noise at U.S. Nationals this year?

    Or is the upper tier of Kimmie, Katy, Alissa, Bebe and Emily pretty solid for the time being?
    Wagner and Zhang are the only two 2006 St Louis Jr Ladies that have stayed back at Jr this year. The other remaining Junior Ladies from last year have all moved to Senior, including 3 of the top four ladies from the podium...Megan, Rachael and Melissa. The spoilers for Sr Ladies could come from any of last year's junior ladies...as well as some of the returning Seniors like Megan Oster. We will have to wait to see who gets through their qualifying events to Natl's as well those who have byes through the JGPF to Natls. There are no guarantees because as we all know, the ice is slippery! I think you might have to look at the summer competition results as well as the JGP series to see which of these skaters has scored a good senior ladies score under the IJS...but then again, that is difficult to do as most of these ladies have been training two lengths of programs this season...a JR FS as well as a SR FS. So, we shall see!

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    I don't think that any of the above mentioned ladies will threaten for the podium this year, but I expect that they will challenge for the top 10. I don't think that any of them are, as of right now, enough of the complete package, they need a little more time and polish. Rachel Flatt, I don't think she's all that she is said to be. Her triples are consistant but the landings don't flow, and her presentation still needs a lot of work. And I mean a LOT. That does not mean that I don't think she'll get there, but I don't think that it will be this year.

    That being said, if Katy Taylor doesn't work on polishing her moves and letting her programs flow better, and if BeBe doesn't figure out how to hold it together throughout the long program, then maybe one of the new girls will be able to take advantage of the open door.

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    I just watched this tape of Ashley Wagner and she's terrific. She whizzes out there with such speed and abandon that she falls on her butt a couple times. But who cares - the speed is exciting and she's a delight to watch, with technique, style and confidence... and gorgeous arm movements, FWIW. She skates big. I bet she'll be a contender in seniors. When that will be, my crystal ball doesn't say.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IgycvNaIcQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    We know about Caroline Zhang (she will stay in juniors this year) and Rachael Flatt (2nd in U.S. juniors last year, moving up to seniors at the national level this year).

    I looked Rachel Flattt up on youtube and i must say that i wasn't particularly impressed. Is she a skater that is better appreciated in person? I wouldn't have thoguht, from the performances on youtube that any of the nationals "veterans" have anythingt o worry about from her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spun Silver View Post
    I just watched this tape of Ashley Wagner and she's terrific. She whizzes out there with such speed and abandon that she falls on her butt a couple times. But who cares - the speed is exciting and she's a delight to watch, with technique, style and confidence... and gorgeous arm movements, FWIW. She skates big. I bet she'll be a contender in seniors. When that will be, my crystal ball doesn't say.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IgycvNaIcQ
    I agree Ashley Wagner (like Bebe) skates with terrific speed and abandon, but if there is a spoiler at US Nats, I think it will be her over Flatt. I saw her at MidAtlantics and was quite impressed. The 'speed and abandon' style is very risky but so thrilling to watch.

    Oops. Ashley W. is in Juniors, I believe, and can not be a spoiler in seniors.

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    Incidentally, it's Megan Oster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    Oops. Ashley W. is in Juniors, I believe, and can not be a spoiler in seniors.
    I am a little confused about Ashley's current status right now. According to Sylvia's report on the Regionals/Sectionals thread Ashley was required to compete in the South Altlantic Regionals in juniors this weekend. But don't see her name listed either under juniors or seniors.

    But she is now guaranteed to make the Junior Grand Prix Final, so that gives her a bye out of Easter Sectionals (as a junior?).

    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin
    Incidentally, it's Megan Oster.
    I knew that.

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    Could we at least agree, hypothetically, that Caroline Zhang would be a lock for the silver (if not gold) if she skated as a Senior at nats?

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    Quote Originally Posted by doug_log View Post
    Could we at least agree, hypothetically, that Caroline Zhang would be a lock for the silver (if not gold) if she skated as a Senior at nats?

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    Quote Originally Posted by doug_log View Post
    Could we at least agree, hypothetically, that Caroline Zhang would be a lock for the silver (if not gold) if she skated as a Senior at nats?

    Don't think so. Senior judges are less lenient. Caroline does have an egregious flutz, she hasn't mastered the salchow, and her ice coverage isn't as good as the top Senior ladies. Her presentation isn't well developed yet, either. Give her another year and then we will see how she stacks up.

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    There are many American ladies with flutzes and they do quite well with the judges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by euterpe View Post
    Her presentation isn't well developed yet, either. Give her another year and then we will see how she stacks up.
    Give me a break...her presentation isn't well developed? Have you seen the workd Champion? Caroline could be doing cheography for her! Caroline is a natural and has dance skills that can't be taught.

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