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    How do you promote Ice Skating.

    I often feel I am defending Ice skating. And if I have to point out to one more person Elvis is the silver medal champ of Martial Arts and a avid Motocrosser I am going to get sick. And also, just because you might be gay, that does not mean that you are not macho - lots of gay guys are macho. I guess people are more comfortable with ladies skating, well I think they look better but as a sport this is way more then any observer ever seems to understand.

    As I start explaining or take them to the rink they star to understand, but I don't see how they miss it in the first place. It is on Ice, come on! Are you not understanding that this is an element of movement complication that is having athletes performing moves you can't even come close to doing without the ice and a 2+ inch rise on a thin metal blade that you have not spent your whole life learning to walk on. How can anyone think for a moment that this is not only incredibly foreign to a persons natural physical generality at the same time as they are doing .....eesh. Can I explain it? NO. I guess that is why I ask.

    What are the comments that "allow" people to understand this is beyond doing tricks that are performed on the same feet and circumstances that you grew up on? Doing a backflip or spinning on a blade is much more of a "oddity" to anybody's "body" then on the same feet you learned to walk on, period.

    Anyhoo, is there anyone with a good comment that has a tendency to stop people in the tracks when they try to patronize Figure skating. I have found the "you try it" comment to be mundane and more insulting then anything, but something like the physics behind ice and why it is "slippery" - to be thought provoking and constructive.

    Thoughts, ideas, comments?

    I feel if they "could" understand they would have more respect. And due to the fact I am all about NOT being pretentious, this hopefully will bring people closer to the undersanding of a 100% uniquely amazing AND inspiring sport.
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    I don't waste my time anymore. I don't feel I need to defend my likes anymore than an avid football fan does. I hang with a lot of the 'macho guy' crowd, and they're okay with it. As long as they know they can't get under my skin by making fun of the sport they don't have a lot of negative things to say.

    As for promoting, I talk about it online, but really save for talking about skaters I've met/know I don't go out of my way to get people to watch.

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    In Monday's Crankshaft comic, he's watching PBS and they're showing a doo wop show. The announcer says, "If you're sick and tired of watching nothing but doo wop here on PBS--Then be sure to phone in your contribution and make the doo wop stop."

    Seriously, I kid you not, one of the local PBS stations is showing an old Stars on Ice special and offering SOI tickets as the member reward. Okay, so Scot Hamilton loves Cleveland and the Cleveland Clinic. Maybe that explains it. But is it helping fs? or will Crankshaft's jibe be fs shows next year?

    http://www.ch4549.org/

    Sorry, they took down the big ad for SOI, but check back soon, as they have announced a repeat next weekend!
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    I have never experienced that problem. Here in Canada, Figure Skating is taken quite seriously by a lot of folks. There is no shortage of fans. I always run into someone who has figure skated at one time or just loves to watch. The only guys we have to compete with are the hockey nuts and we have them in spades.

    Most Canadians love skating and participate quite regularly at their local rink or outdoors. It was great when I lived in Prince George. One could go to the rink or find a pond or outdoor rink to skate on. There is no shortage of ice in Prince George.

    Figure Skating and skating in general promotes itself here in Canada. There are not many kids here who don't learn to skate.

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    Generally i would say - give it up, people are stubborn about there opinions on what is sport and if its hard. They will never change their minds unless they actually try it out for the temselves.

    If you still want to make a point try and ask them to hold simple spin positions for 5-10 seconds. Just for a bit of fun getting them to see how things might be difficult , just getting someone to hold the open position that you hit while trying to center a front or backspin with the free leg nice and high, toe pointed, hip up, shoulders down and keeping their balance and getting through that burn in the leg will show on a basic level how they couldn't manage. Equally, and even harder - getting someone to hit and hold either a camel or sit position for 5-10 seconds usually shows that much practice would be required. Then pointout that they're not even spinning, on a slippery surface with ice skates stuck to thei feet.

    Trouble with the spin positions is that they can be seen as pretty "girly" still so the other thing i've made some friends try is simply to jump off two feet into the air and rotate and see how far they can go...don't even complicate it by asking them to land or jump off just one foot, two feet for both...i'd be amazed if someone on their first go can even get a full revolution balanced let alone two, three or four. And again point out that in reality you have to jump and land off one foot (mostly!) and on ice, on a skate blade etc etc

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    Responses I received from friends not on this forum.

    1.".. Funny thing you should mention this. I recently in the past month faced a brief encounter with some local goons of the ice rink of a similar situation. First I must point out that I play hockey part time so to speak..( A bar league). I also figure skate or ice dance...
    Anyhow! this a** came up to me and called me a f*g.......
    Sure I play the same manly sport as him "Hockey". But seriously! what's so hard about skating in a straight line back and forth slapping a puck around. Requires very little to no talent at all. The challenging part of hockey is the score.......
    Now lets talk figure skating. Sure lots of circles and jumps and what's so hard about this... Everything! I don't know, maybe landing on your feet.. I would love to see the NHL or Olympic committee make a new rule that all hockey players must complete at least one triple axel in every game or they are disqualified. Lets see if the figure skating haters can relate to that.......
    Promoting Ice Skating in this day and age with all the gay bashing going around is very complicated. It's like gays in the military, same difference.

    Anyhow, I didn't argue too much with this guy G*****, which I had also told him that he should be asking his mom why he was named after a girl. I also told him that maybe I look gay out here now, but tonight I go home with the ladies. Either way I win...:-)
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    2."It's simply an art. You either like it or you don't. ........
    Leave the others alone to enjoy the "other" things they prefer. To each their own.
    "

    3."Nicely said, however, it's not just art; it's a sport. ..........
    We can show others how it is more than woman and men dancing prancing and doing tricks. It dangerous and beautiful, and can be judged.......
    "

    4."Dude, You on your girly skates, me on my hockey skates, ANY rink, ANY time
    ANY where ! 'you want crushed, you got it !
    P. S. did you hear J-lo just finished renovating her multi-million dollar
    mansion, its fabulous !!
    What ? Can't straight; macho; hairy dudes be girly !
    "
    - so you know I know he was joking around. Just fits that constant sentiment why does "tough" keep coming up anyway?.
    Food for thought.
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    Personally, I think we are barking up the wrong tree if we place our emphasis on trying to convince people that figure skating is hard to do.

    Yes, it is. So what? Lots of things are hard to do. That alone doesn't make them good, bad, sissy, macho, beautiful, ugly, manly, effeminate, interesting, boring, stupid, sublime or anything else.

    As for the gay thing, I do not see any reason to be defensive about it. Gay men are well represented in many artistic endeavors. Again, so what?

    I am only skating with one of the hottest girls in the rink, unlike his unattractive girlfriend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Personally, I think we are barking up the wrong tree if we place our emphasis on trying to convince people that figure skating is hard to do.
    I agree, it is like barking at a brick wall.

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    My suggested response for straight men accused of being homosexual because they prefer figure skating to hockey is, "So..as a straight man, I'm supposed to want to hang around with a bunch of sweaty males waving sticks, but if I want to do the sport involving pretty, athletic women in short skirts, I'm gay?" (I wish I had my icon that says "Woo-woo! Here comes the clue train, last stop you!")

    But seriously, I don't bother. Figure skating is hard and athletic and some people will never get that unless you drag their butts out on the ice and get them to try even easy turns and one-foot glides. I used to put up with people who didn't get that horseback riding is not, in fact, just sitting pretty while the horse does all the work. There's little point in arguing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by julietvalcouer View Post
    I wish I had my icon that says "Woo-woo! Here comes the clue train, last stop you!")
    Yah, that I am sure to be using a lot. Frick'n funny!

    That is really the truth, if they don't have the intelligence to have any other discord to FS then it looks "faggy" then they are a lot cause.

    The last remark from my friend (#4)I should say he does support it but does not watch it that often. Loves to give me crap and such but has a strong respect for FS. Thinks gymnastics would be a harder sport I.HIS.O but wouldn't watch it either, just doesn't interest him. He doesn't mind hearing about it or seeing some high lights but just isn't interested.
    I thought that his comment said that too.
    He is the one I went skating with, and he remarked that if hockey was to use the FS blades people would get killed. That was why the Hockey skate comment.

    I have even heard guys say if the costumes keep getting smaller or go away I will start watching - not necessarily the type you care about watching anyway - but the Kat Witt rule killed it for those viewing numbers.

    I think #2 was right, some will get it and some wont. I think understanding "impedes this" but not to any real great concern. I'll just keep talking about it, showing off the bumper stickers and snagging the remote once and a while. It is true though, even those who didn't watch, watch a little more each time I am watching with them around.

    Side note, it is amazing to me how many guys say "who is that?" when Sasha's face comes on - "Oh yah, I like that girl...Sasha you say????" I have heard comments about most of the ladies and a few about the guys, But Sasha always gets that response of "who is she again, or yah I know her face....etc.."

    And EVERY one knows MK, even if they say "I can recall her name," I can say "muh" or "kwh" and they blurt it out. But I don't think that made any difference to whether they would watch or not.

    Last, the ones I have explained the new scoring to - in brief - Like it and enjoy the thought there is little a Judge can do all by themselves and how much has changed. Most were clueless there is a Ref "making calls" and that one thing alone seems to get there "awh, that is how they decide.."

    Mostly I think it comes down to their "perception" over Fact. Once people hear facts on how simple it is to understand - they don't need to know why it is worth... just a 10 point scale on the presentation and a -3 to a +3 on execution of said tricks. If there is a questionable number by any of the Judges it is questioned and that judge will no longer be anonymous. That's not too tough to understand.

    I also like to point out that ALL "calls" are going to get questioned in any sport at anytime by any fan. That is the necessity of some one to make the call, whether fans / spectators agree or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeaniBu View Post
    I have even heard guys say if the costumes keep getting smaller or go away I will start watching - not necessarily the type you care about watching anyway - but the Kat Witt rule killed it for those viewing numbers.
    Less is more. No wait, I mean more is less. I mean, come on guys, use your imagination!

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    Yesterday I gave someone at work a figure skating lesson!!! A student overheard me mention figure skating and she said she has just started skating as an adult figure skater. Anyway, I told her about my years of figure skating and ended up demonstrating (on the carpet of course, sans my figure skates how to do a one foot spin and gave her some tips on proper edge control. It was fun!! Sure turned work into a fun place to be.

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    I was thinking more about this. How do I promote ice skating? Simply by talking about figure skating to others in a positive note. Figure Skating is my passion and it really comes across when I talk to people about skating. I can see myself on the ice when I talk about it. I encourage people to take up skating and tell them about all the benefits skating would bring them. It's not hard to talk about something you love!!!


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    Back to the original question. I show my friends videos of various skating performances that I consider great to prove my point that this is an amazing sport. Of course, you can't convince everyone of that. I also talk up the local shows, competitions that come to our area, and encourage friends to attend them. Some show interest, some don't, but I still keep talking it up.

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    I'd say the same thing has worked pretty good for me - show them. Sasha Irina profiles they did (Sasha's work out regimen, Iras comeback from illness and going against Dr, recommendations) always have a tendency to show them how dedicated and athletically strong of individuals, then you show them a skating clip...."and is there any other that can allow an athlete to look so gorgeous?" The guys for the ladies too, the girls really notice how nicely "formed" the guys legs and such are and like a guy who is able to be gentle and powerful in their actions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ladskater View Post
    I was thinking more about this. How do I promote ice skating? Simply by talking about figure skating to others in a positive note. Figure Skating is my passion and it really comes across when I talk to people about skating. I can see myself on the ice when I talk about it. I encourage people to take up skating and tell them about all the benefits skating would bring them. It's not hard to talk about something you love!!!

    What are some of the benefits you mention Lad?
    Last edited by SeaniBu; 10-26-2006 at 11:36 AM.

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