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    Of top men who will be odd one out for GP final?

    Although new names, or improving skaters, can unexpectedly factor into the mix
    at any given time the most forseeable situation would be that the 6 spots at this years GP final will be taken up by 6 of the 7 guys-Lambiel, Takahashi, Sandhu, Oda, Lysacek, Weir, and Joubert. Who will end up being the odd guy out do you think, especialy considering the early season outcomes and points at the first event for 6 of these 7 points, and their remaining assignment(s)and the fields they face.

    My take on it at this point is that Lambiel, Lysacek, Oda, and Joubert are pretty safe while Sandhu, Weir, and Takahashi are the 3 guys on the bubble for the final 2 spots.

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    We haven't seen Sandhu yet this season, but Johnny needs to get it going.

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    Either Sandhu or Joubert

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    Um, Sandhu. He sucks.

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    Wasn't there a change in the number of entrants for the GP or was that just in JGP?

    If Lambiel was as bad as I have been reading (without seeing) then the judges will not hold him up twice, so I say Lambiel will be left out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    Wasn't there a change in the number of entrants for the GP or was that just in JGP?

    If Lambiel was as bad as I have been reading (without seeing) then the judges will not hold him up twice, so I say Lambiel will be left out.

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    Stephane's short program is up on youtube, and it was actually much better than what I was expecting; he sells the program as much as he always does, except the jumps are not there.
    I wonder how he'd do if he stopped training the quad this year? He gets high levels on non-jump elements, and scored 146--very high--having touched down on one quad and fallen on another. He could always go back to the quad closer to 2010, but for now, maybe leaving it out could help him last till Vancouver.

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    There is so much hype about the GP final. In the grand scheme of things, the GPF doesn't matter a whit. What counts is what the men (and all the competitors) bring to Worlds, not how they skate in the early season.

    None of the 2005 Ladies GPF medalwinners won gold at the major championships (Worlds / Olympics / Junior Worlds / 4CC). The Mens and Ladies OGM winners and the Ladies World Champion didn't even MAKE the 2005 GPF.

    Emanuel Sandhu makes the GPF year after year and even won it once, but he's never set foot on a World podium.

    Let's not overemphasize the importance of this event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    There is so much hype about the GP final. In the grand scheme of things, the GPF doesn't matter a whit. What counts is what the men (and all the competitors) bring to Worlds, not how they skate in the early season.

    None of the 2005 Ladies GPF medalwinners won gold at the major championships (Worlds / Olympics / Junior Worlds / 4CC). The Mens and Ladies OGM winners and the Ladies World Champion didn't even MAKE the 2005 GPF.

    Emanuel Sandhu makes the GPF year after year and even won it once, but he's never set foot on a World podium.

    Let's not overemphasize the importance of this event.
    I agree with you but lets face it, in the first 3 months of the season what else is there to be interested in but the road the GP final? Until events like the big country Nationals, Europeans, maybe Four Continents, and Worlds, that as well as the junior GP circuit for those who are interested, are the only real seasons for a skating fan to follow.

    What is more worth following as a figure skating fan at this point of the year?

    Also for some skaters a win or a medal at the GP final can be a career highlight. Malinina's win at the 99 GP final was by far her career highlight and something she probably talks about to this day, Savoie's medal at the 2001 GP final was his career highlight, Bourne/Kraatz's 2 GP final wins in Canada other then their late-career World title was their career high points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by debdelilah View Post
    Stephane's short program is up on youtube, and it was actually much better than what I was expecting; he sells the program as much as he always does, except the jumps are not there.
    I wonder how he'd do if he stopped training the quad this year? He gets high levels on non-jump elements, and scored 146--very high--having touched down on one quad and fallen on another. He could always go back to the quad closer to 2010, but for now, maybe leaving it out could help him last till Vancouver.
    The reason I dont think you would ever seen Stephane considering taking out the quad is he does not have even a remotedly solid triple axel. He almost half expects to do not even end up rotating it, and often when he does he misses it.
    So that is why the quad is paramount for him, partialy to compensate for almost having no triple axel up to now. If he had a more solid triple axel he might leave out the quad for parts of the season to rest his body, but he does not have this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    There is so much hype about the GP final. In the grand scheme of things, the GPF doesn't matter a whit. What counts is what the men (and all the competitors) bring to Worlds, not how they skate in the early season.

    None of the 2005 Ladies GPF medalwinners won gold at the major championships (Worlds / Olympics / Junior Worlds / 4CC). The Mens and Ladies OGM winners and the Ladies World Champion didn't even MAKE the 2005 GPF.

    Emanuel Sandhu makes the GPF year after year and even won it once, but he's never set foot on a World podium.

    Let's not overemphasize the importance of this event.
    The GPF in itself is not that important competition in regard to setting a skater up for World, however this year making the final is much more important. This is the first year of the new payout for the top 3 in the world standing. If a skater make the Final even if they get last they will accumulate more points than a skater who got first at a single Grand Prix event. First place in a Grand Prix event gives a skater 400 points and getting 6th (last place) in the Final gives a skater 550. Competition wise the GPF may not effect what happens in March at the Worlds but making the final will most likely affect who is on to pof the world standing at the end of the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DivaDes View Post
    The GPF in itself is not that important competition in regard to setting a skater up for World, however this year making the final is much more important. This is the first year of the new payout for the top 3 in the world standing. If a skater make the Final even if they get last they will accumulate more points than a skater who got first at a single Grand Prix event. First place in a Grand Prix event gives a skater 400 points and getting 6th (last place) in the Final gives a skater 550. Competition wise the GPF may not effect what happens in March at the Worlds but making the final will most likely affect who is on to pof the world standing at the end of the year.

    ~D
    I guess this would be important to skaters who don't get much funding from their federations, but the skaters who win World medals also get a big piece of change, and lots of endorsements and other opportunities to make money (shows, tours, etc.) as well.

    I think ANY skater would rather be a World medalist and collect money that way, than finish off the World podium and get $ from being high on the World ranking list. Skaters aren't like racehorses whose owners boast the money their horses have earned in their careers.

    You'd better believe that World medals and titles are far more important on a skater's resume when it comes to post-eligible skating opportunities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slutskayafan21 View Post
    I agree with you but lets face it, in the first 3 months of the season what else is there to be interested in but the road the GP final? Until events like the big country Nationals, Europeans, maybe Four Continents, and Worlds, that as well as the junior GP circuit for those who are interested, are the only real seasons for a skating fan to follow.

    What is more worth following as a figure skating fan at this point of the year?
    I agree with this. FANS like the GP because it is skating, and it is on TV. Skaters who don't have the big titles like the GP because it is their chance to earn medals they wouldn't otherwise get. But to many top skaters, it is nothing more than a chance to try out their new programs and assess what they have to do downstream to be more competitive.

    But the GP doesn't mean much in terms of who is top dog and who is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slutskayafan21 View Post
    So that is why the quad is paramount for him, partialy to compensate for almost having no triple axel up to now. If he had a more solid triple axel he might leave out the quad for parts of the season to rest his body, but he does not have this.
    I hope the season goes well for him, but thinking a couple years down the road, it may work out better for him in the long run if he doesn't go all out trying to win at all costs this year. He only did a double axel, and no clean quad, and still got respectable scores...which he could probably improve if he spent more time on his spins, etc. I just don't see how he can continue trying to land quads the way he does, and not injure himself to the point of retirement.
    If this season does not go well for him, it may be better in the long run--more time to rest and then train in the offseason, and less pressure next year.

    Quads seem like a curse hidden in a blessing, to me. They take a long time to train--and then people seem to have trouble with other jumps after training them--and injuries pop up, and training time is lost, and everything goes south from there.

    Not to mention, with them being so difficult, underrotation and falling are both likely, so an underrotated quad fall will be scored like a triple fall--what elite skater wants to have scores reflect falling on a triple toe? Especially in the short program, where it messes up the combination?

    I would like to see what Stephane could do with his programs if he wasn't worrying about jump scores as much. I think it would be incredible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    There is so much hype about the GP final. In the grand scheme of things, the GPF doesn't matter a whit. What counts is what the men (and all the competitors) bring to Worlds, not how they skate in the early season.

    Let's not overemphasize the importance of this event.
    I could not agree with you more, but you have to understand the posters and their way of thinking. For example, if a skater misses a quad, they think he no longer has a quad. They tend to base everything on the very last competition they have seen.

    In the last analysis, it's their body of work that counts, and yes, that counts mostly at the Worlds.

    Joe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    I could not agree with you more, but you have to understand the posters and their way of thinking. For example, if a skater misses a quad, they think he no longer has a quad.

    Joe
    I know Stephane still has a quad, and I think he could be successful this year with it. If he wanted to train with the same intensity he did last year, and take cortisone shots to cover pain, etc, he would win Worlds again more than likely.
    I was thinking more along the lines of him lasting to compete in Vancouver.

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