Men LP report
Urbas, The Mask of Zorro
3A, 2T, 2A, SlSt, FSSp, twS, coe, 3F, 3R2R, CoSp, twS, coe, "donut", 3A2T, 3Lz, CiSt, 3S2T, CSSp, twS coe // coe twS, CCoSp, back to forward, cam, twS, coe U // sit, leg behind, U coe
Very good performance for him, but no expression, had the same spin four times.
Mabee, Tango Medley
3L3T, 1A, 3F, SSp, coe, twS, 1S, FSSp, twS, 2A, 2R, 3L, CCoSp, sit, /\,/// SlSt, nice character, 2T, CoSp, camel, sit, Y // sit, twU, coe
Nice character, good relaxed full body movement, but not much of expression and far too many mistakes.
Shibata, Adios Nonino
2A, 3L3T, FCSp, coe, donut, 3F2T, CiSt, 3R2R, 3L step out, FSSp, twS, "donut", SlSt, 3S2T2R, CCSoP, camel, coe, donut, sit //... 3T, 2A, CCoSp
back to forward camel, coe, sit, "donut" // B // sit, Y
Very serious, no emotions at all, no expressions. He has the skills to pull off the tango, but today it all has been about doing jumps.
Kovalevsky, Beethoven Last Night
2A, 3F3T, 2L2T, 3R, FSSp, coe, twS, CiSt, 3Lz, tight landing, 2S, 2A from spreadeagle, CSSp, SlSt, 2S, CCoSp, camel, sit, Y // twS, layback, CoSp, back site, twS, U coe
He was trying to sell it, but did not entirely succeed.
Gryazev, Notre Dame de Paris
3L, 3A3T, 3F, 3A fall, CiSt, CCsp, 3R, 2F2T2R, 2S, FSSp, lfS, coe // lfS, SlSt, 3S hand down, CCoSp, cam, coe, sit, lfS, layback // cam, bent camel, U coe, CoSp, back cam, bent camel, sit, Y
Nice powerful performance, not his best, but nothing to be ashamed of either.
Dobrin, Mast of Zorro
popped quad into single, 4S, 3L2T, 4S2T step out of quad, FCsp coe, upturned, donut, CiSt, CSSp, coe // coe?, 3S, 3F, CoSp, camel, sit, U coe, SlSt, 2A, 3L, CCoSp cam, sit, coe, tw U // cam
Better than in Paris, less of exhaustion in the first half and I think more triples overall. The audience was supporting him and I think virtually "carrying" him through the step sequences.
Weir, Child of Nazareth
3A, 3T, 3L, FSSp, his usual changes of positions, CiSt, 2R, 1A, FSSp, 1A, 3F, 3S2T, CoSp, SlSt, CCoSp
Rather decent performance overall, nice flow, good attack till very end, but unless he starts landing his jumps (or at least rotating and falling like Buttle), he is doomed under new system. He is incredibly lucky that the event has been such a splatfest overall.
Berntsson, Saturday Night Fever
3A2T, 3L3T, 2A, 3R, 3F2T2T, FSSp, stumble in the first half, CCoSp, 2F, CiSt, CSSp, 3S, 2A, SlSt, CCoSp
He really got the audience going, since he can move to disco very well. Overall very impressive performance, nice character throughout.
Sandhu, When Strangers Meet
2T, 3A hard fall, 3L, 2A, CoSp, 1A, CiSt, CUSp, nice one, 3F hand down and step out, 3R2T, 2S, SlSt, excellent upperbody movement, FSSp, twS, CCoSp, camel, sit, /\ // cam, sit, twS, Y
Well, suppose the elements listing says it all. Rather nice impression, because he has good basics, good spins and nice step sequence, but they would only take one that far.
Verner, Mystic Spirit Voices
3T overrotated, step out, 3F, 3L, 3S, 3L3T, FSSp, forward one, lfS, coe, leg behid, 3A step out, 3R, CoSp back to forward, cam, sit // sit, lfS,U, CiSt, CSSp, back to forw, SlSt, 3F, CCoSp back to forw, coe not held
Run out of stream halfway through the program, but still rather nice performance with good lines and character and very nice impression.
Klimkin, The Mask
3A3T, 4T (got downgraded), slip on entrance to R, FCSp, coe, upturned, 3F, 3S, CUSp, coe on both feet, 3L fall, 3S2T, CiSt, fall in the middle, did not complete the second half, 2A, CCoSp, CoSp
Much better than in Paris there he was stumbling over his feet. Good character and nice attack, but... On the positive side he is one of the few who can do change of edge in spins properly.
4T2T, 4S, 3A, CiSt, CSSp, back to forw, 4T, 3R2T, 3F, 3L, FSSp, SSp, SlSt, 3S, CCoSp
Just WOW. Really well done, he just anihilated the competition here. And a good program too. I just noticed that he lands his third "after half-mark" quad to the "Nothing Else Matters" tunes... nice irony. Indeed, nothing does if you accumulate some 10 points for that.
Thanks for the report. WoW, he will be tough to beat if he's going to land 3 quads.
I see that Johnny Weir did 3A, 1A, 1A. It will be interesting to see how this is scored. Was the second one supposed to have been a triple Axel in combination, and the third an intended double?
I wonder why Weir is having such trouble with the axel...I always thought of him as a skater with one of the best and surest triple axels...anyone know why?
3 Axels in a row especially around the curve of an arena are choreographically a delight. But the CoP would never see that. Good for Johnny's attempt.
Alors, Joubert again with Metallica. Lysacek hugging Carmen. I suppose we will get Viva Vivaldi in NKH. Maybe it is a boring season.
btw, Tim Goebel did several different quads. Would love to see these senior skaters come up with something beyond the T.
Goebel did toe and salchow, that what Joubert did here. I don't rememeber any other skater landing any other quad in competition. Weiss attempted 4L, but underrotated it almost always, Serov, in his Russian days, was toying with 4R, but never came close to landing it. I believe someone (Joubert?) was talking about 4F, but no one ever tried it in competition AFAIR.
Anna - So many male skaters were/are working on other than the T quad. Michael two footed most of his quad lutzes but made the rotations. Go to the tapes. No credit for that in 6.0 system.
Originally Posted by Anna
Still, I think Joubert deserves a lot of credit fo doing two different quads -- the toe and the Salchow -- in the same program, and three quads in all, including one in combination and one after the half-way mark.
He wasn't the first to do this (Goebel was), but Brian is going to win a lot of contests with that jump line-up (plus a triple Axel). It's up to the other men to catch up now.
Joubert scored an 8.0 in Skating Skills in his LP, and 77.4 in PCS.
In major competition last year, the only PCS above that were:
85.25 Plushenko (Olys)
82.30 Plushenko (Euros)
78.5 Buttle (Olys, and unless he starts landing the quad, his total score will be less than Joubert's base)
77.88 Lambiel (Worlds)
and close below:
76.92 Lambiel (Euros)
76.28 Lambiel (Olys)
75.70 Sandhu (Worlds)
75.36 Weir (Olys)
The only other skaters with multiple quads in their programs have been pre-2006 Plushenko, although he would have pulled out a second, if he needed it, Lambiel, Lindemann (although he hasn't landed them since 2004), and this year, Dobrin I don't think Klimkin has tried for both the combo and the single.
It's one thing to have a 3A/3T and 3A to counter a 4T/3T and 3A, but Joubert has 4T/2T (probably to upgrade to 4T/3T), 4T, 4S, and 3A. That's a lot of base to make up, and the only one who had that in his arsenal in recent years is Plushenko, and before that, Goebel.
Weiss never landed a quad lutz in competition - he fell on all (both?) his attempts. He two-footed the landing on just about every quad toe he ever landed, if not all. I don't think anyone else has ever tried anything other than a quad toe and quad sal in competition.
Originally Posted by Joesitz
He did land one, at US Nationals. It was originally ratified, and then the USFS revoked ratification. I believe they called it two-footed, not underrotated. Christine Brennan describes this in one of her books. I'd look it up, but the book's in storage.
Originally Posted by bostonskater
"I don't think anyone else has ever tried anything other than a quad toe and quad sal in competition."
Plushenko tried 4L I belive it was, fully rotated but fell in the landing (you can find this on youtube).
You missed my point about the 6.0. He gets credit for quads even with a fall or two footed in CoP. Lower yes, but not zilch like in 6.0 system.
Originally Posted by bostonskater