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    Who had the better jumping technique?

    Who had the better jumping technique between Michelle Kwan and Sasha Cohen? I was reading on another board that Michelle had a leg wrap? Granted it was a Sashafan board, but it made me wonder. So much has been said for Sasha's perfect technique, but I would have to disagree. I never saw Michelle wiht a legwrap and wonder if it was true? IMHO, I always thought Michelle's jumping technique was better than Sasha's. When Sasha jumped I got scared for her. HEr ankles seemed so weak ala Butryskaya's jumps wiht shaky, unsecure landings. What is your opinons and expertises? OH yeah and the fan cetnered boards are so funny and emotionally charged.

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    let's not rag on fan boards here, we are above that sort of thing...

    and really, does it matter much who had the better technique? neither one is skating much these days... let's move forward!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fossi View Post
    Who had the better jumping technique between Michelle Kwan and Sasha Cohen? I was reading on another board that Michelle had a leg wrap? ...When Sasha jumped ... HEr ankles seemed so weak ala Butryskaya's jumps wiht shaky, unsecure landings. What is your opinons and expertises? OH yeah and the fan cetnered boards are so funny and emotionally charged.
    Bute's problem wasn't weak ankles so much as it was stiff legs.
    I never noticed Kwan with a wrap either.
    As for the basic question, Kwan worked hard to get rid of her flutz and mostly succeeded most of the time, i never noticed much if any improvement in Cohen's.
    Kwan's edges were far stronger than Cohen's and she had an overall better record of landing her jumps than Cohen did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    and really, does it matter much who had the better technique? neither one is skating much these days... let's move forward!

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    Michelle Kwan did. Why else do you think her jumps were so much more consistant over such a long span of time? Luck? No, its good technique. She did have a slight flutz but she worked hard to fix it, while Sasha has always had a severe flutz with no visible attempt to fix it. I never noticed any leg wrap in Michelle's jumps, I always thought she had a great in-air position. In that respect, I'd tie the ladies, as Sasha usually had a nice in-air position as well. Landings, Michelle has the edge there. Sasha's landing edges wobbled a lot, she sometimes even landed on the inside edge which is very wrong. Finally, Michelle was able to land 3-3 combinations in competition, not recently but she landed a lot more of them than Sasha did. How many 3-3s was Sasha able to pull off in competition? One that I can remember. Yes she has a 3-3 sequence, but that is easier and even then she sometimes struggled. Sasha has her good qualities, but her jumping is not high on the list.

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    For me Bute's problems were her knees. I kept screaming at the TV "Pliet, Maria, Pliet". Had she done that, I think she would have been a greater force in figure skating.

    Michelle had the better jumps; Sasha had the better spins. Over and out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    let's not rag on fan boards here, we are above that sort of thing...

    and really, does it matter much who had the better technique? neither one is skating much these days... let's move forward!

    I agree that ragging on the fanboards ins't nice. I didn't mean to rag on it but was just saying I read it on a sashafan board. THey are a guilty pleasure so I wounldn't rag on them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fossi View Post
    I agree that ragging on the fanboards ins't nice. I didn't mean to rag on it but was just saying I read it on a sashafan board. THey are a guilty pleasure so I wounldn't rag on them
    I didn't get the impression of any "ragging" coming from you Fossi. Acutely thought the point of validity was handled nicely by simply stating the source might not be often assumed as in MKs Favor.

    I think if consistency of completion in competition is a part of technique then there is no question. And I think the power that MK had with the level of "elegance blended with athleticism" was remarkable.

    And reveling in the past and reflecting and such I quite enjoy sometimes. Not only because I get a better idea of things that I have seen in the past with out the little knowledge I have now, but "reminiscing" is an everyday part of communication whether it is just a look back or analyzing. It is human nature.

    There are a number of sayings reminding us to remember and discus the past. Maybe not exactly relative to this conversation but, "those who forget their past are doomed to repeat it." is one that comes to mind. I hope talk of all past and present skaters continues, sometimes the comparisons and such might be way out there, but enjoyable for some.

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    Hm...I don't pretend to have any knowlegde in this area, but....

    I love Michelle's jump landings. I love the security, deep edges and how she would hold out an edge:
    http://michellekwan.sexysportschicks...atedemovid.gif

    At least she attempted to fix her flutz:
    http://images-partners.google.com/im...day.com/sports

    Sasha has beautiful air positions, with quick rotatiuons, a flat back and pointed toes. I feel she cou;d be more solid in her jump landings.

    I think Michelle is better at toe jumps, and Sasha at edge jumps.

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    I loved both skaters, but neither were incredibly impressive jumpers....aside from Kwan's record of landing them. Kwan's jumps were not terribly impressive in size or ice coverage, but she was incredibly consistent, which really made up for it, allowing her to gain advantage over other skaters who had amazing jumps — when they were on. Kwan did have lovely, secure landings. Neither Kwan nor Cohen had a very good lutz. Period.
    Cohen at times had very shaky landings, but her speed of rotation and positions in the air etc., as all her positions when skating, were exquisite. Her landings, when she made them, always looked very light. Technique, I don't think, was generally her problem in whether or not she would land her jumps successfully.

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    That is a rather meaningless question.
    Who has really good jump-techique?
    Midori Ito, Lu Chen, Mao Asada, Yu Na Kim, Kimmie Meissner,Júlia Sebestéyn (when she is "on").
    Why discussing anybody's good jump-techique, who is "flutzing"????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdeal View Post
    That is a rather meaningless question.

    Why discussing anybody's good jump-techique, who is "flutzing"????????
    Because the rest of Kwan's jumps were textbook? Because she worked very hard to eliminate the flutz, and at worst "flatzed" after she did, which made her equal to Slutskaya's attempts at proper lutz technique? Because, with the exception of the lutz takeoff, Kwan had excellent technique in all phases of her jumps? Because she has been one of the most consistent jumpers of the triples era?

    Mao Asada? She doesn't do all six triples, and her flutz is as pronounced as Cohen's.

    Midori Ito? Huge jumps, but horrible leg wrap.

    Kimmie Meissner? Toe axels.

    Julia Sebestyen, when she is on? Lip.

    Your standards of perfection seem to be different when applied to Kwan.
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    Both Michelle and Sasha had beautiful fluidity in their jumps. Michelle was more consistent in her jumps. Neither had great height or covered much ice, though I like them both.

    Speaking of the past, I watched some old footage of Debi Thomas yesterday, and boy, could that girl jump!

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    Watch YuNa on youtube.

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    I still think, those who was never be able to learn the proper edging in some of the jumps are SHOULD NOT mention as good technical jumpers. For sure.

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