Who had the better jumping technique?
Who had the better jumping technique between Michelle Kwan and Sasha Cohen? I was reading on another board that Michelle had a leg wrap? Granted it was a Sashafan board, but it made me wonder. So much has been said for Sasha's perfect technique, but I would have to disagree. I never saw Michelle wiht a legwrap and wonder if it was true? IMHO, I always thought Michelle's jumping technique was better than Sasha's. When Sasha jumped I got scared for her. HEr ankles seemed so weak ala Butryskaya's jumps wiht shaky, unsecure landings. What is your opinons and expertises? OH yeah and the fan cetnered boards are so funny and emotionally charged.
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let's not rag on fan boards here, we are above that sort of thing...
and really, does it matter much who had the better technique? neither one is skating much these days... let's move forward!
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Bute's problem wasn't weak ankles so much as it was stiff legs.
Originally Posted by Fossi
I never noticed Kwan with a wrap either.
As for the basic question, Kwan worked hard to get rid of her flutz and mostly succeeded most of the time, i never noticed much if any improvement in Cohen's.
Kwan's edges were far stronger than Cohen's and she had an overall better record of landing her jumps than Cohen did.
Michelle Kwan did. Why else do you think her jumps were so much more consistant over such a long span of time? Luck? No, its good technique. She did have a slight flutz but she worked hard to fix it, while Sasha has always had a severe flutz with no visible attempt to fix it. I never noticed any leg wrap in Michelle's jumps, I always thought she had a great in-air position. In that respect, I'd tie the ladies, as Sasha usually had a nice in-air position as well. Landings, Michelle has the edge there. Sasha's landing edges wobbled a lot, she sometimes even landed on the inside edge which is very wrong. Finally, Michelle was able to land 3-3 combinations in competition, not recently but she landed a lot more of them than Sasha did. How many 3-3s was Sasha able to pull off in competition? One that I can remember. Yes she has a 3-3 sequence, but that is easier and even then she sometimes struggled. Sasha has her good qualities, but her jumping is not high on the list.
For me Bute's problems were her knees. I kept screaming at the TV "Pliet, Maria, Pliet". Had she done that, I think she would have been a greater force in figure skating.
Michelle had the better jumps; Sasha had the better spins. Over and out.
Originally Posted by Tonichelle
I agree that ragging on the fanboards ins't nice. I didn't mean to rag on it but was just saying I read it on a sashafan board. THey are a guilty pleasure so I wounldn't rag on them
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Hm...I don't pretend to have any knowlegde in this area, but....
I love Michelle's jump landings. I love the security, deep edges and how she would hold out an edge:
At least she attempted to fix her flutz:
Sasha has beautiful air positions, with quick rotatiuons, a flat back and pointed toes. I feel she cou;d be more solid in her jump landings.
I think Michelle is better at toe jumps, and Sasha at edge jumps.
I loved both skaters, but neither were incredibly impressive jumpers....aside from Kwan's record of landing them. Kwan's jumps were not terribly impressive in size or ice coverage, but she was incredibly consistent, which really made up for it, allowing her to gain advantage over other skaters who had amazing jumps — when they were on. Kwan did have lovely, secure landings. Neither Kwan nor Cohen had a very good lutz. Period.
Cohen at times had very shaky landings, but her speed of rotation and positions in the air etc., as all her positions when skating, were exquisite. Her landings, when she made them, always looked very light. Technique, I don't think, was generally her problem in whether or not she would land her jumps successfully.
That is a rather meaningless question.
Who has really good jump-techique?
Midori Ito, Lu Chen, Mao Asada, Yu Na Kim, Kimmie Meissner,Júlia Sebestéyn (when she is "on").
Why discussing anybody's good jump-techique, who is "flutzing"????????
Because the rest of Kwan's jumps were textbook? Because she worked very hard to eliminate the flutz, and at worst "flatzed" after she did, which made her equal to Slutskaya's attempts at proper lutz technique? Because, with the exception of the lutz takeoff, Kwan had excellent technique in all phases of her jumps? Because she has been one of the most consistent jumpers of the triples era?
Originally Posted by bigdeal
Mao Asada? She doesn't do all six triples, and her flutz is as pronounced as Cohen's.
Midori Ito? Huge jumps, but horrible leg wrap.
Kimmie Meissner? Toe axels.
Julia Sebestyen, when she is on? Lip.
Your standards of perfection seem to be different when applied to Kwan.
Last edited by hockeyfan228; 12-24-2006 at 10:12 AM.
Both Michelle and Sasha had beautiful fluidity in their jumps. Michelle was more consistent in her jumps. Neither had great height or covered much ice, though I like them both.
Speaking of the past, I watched some old footage of Debi Thomas yesterday, and boy, could that girl jump!
I still think, those who was never be able to learn the proper edging in some of the jumps are SHOULD NOT mention as good technical jumpers. For sure.